April 20, 2011

  • Obligatory 4/20 Legalize Marijuana Post

    During the Reagan years, which I fondly recall as an infant up until 3 years old, we learned to “Just say NO to drugs!”  Of course, what with the pharmaceutical industry running a good percentage of congress, we don’t hear that. It’s “Say no to ILLEGAL drugs.” Like marijuana. It’s illegal, but less habit-forming or dangerous than Percocet or Valium, both of which I’ve been on. And to be honest, if I could choose between the high from an Ativan-Oxycodone dose or a hit from a bong, I’ll admit I enjoy the high I get from the legal drugs more. You who have never been on strong narcotics will never know the blissful temporary release one gets from any product starting with “Oxy” (except for Oxyclean… although I just never tried that in a pharmaceutical way). I can certainly see how getting hooked on something like that can ruin a life.

    So we keep hearing that marijuana is a gateway drug. I call bullshit. If you want gateway drugs, look no further than nicotine and alcohol. I know I never touched a joint until I was comfy with drinking underage. And do you have any idea how much easier it is to score a dime bag of reefer when you are 19 than it is to get a 12-pack of beer?

    In my mind, one of the most unjust laws we have here in the United States is jailing people for smoking marijuana. This should outrage everyone, including Republicans who hate marijuana, because it costs $60,000 a year to incarcerate someone, including people like this who are convicted of a non-violent crime.

    John F. Kennedy; Bill Clinton; George W. Bush; Barack Obama. All presidents, and all admit to have smoked weed. What’s the difference between them and the thousands of people in prison for smoking marijuana? The people in prison got caught smoking in front of a cop.

      
    Ahnuld too, but I figured that was obvious.

    When you compare marijuana to alcohol, in my opinion, we have the wrong one illegal. My uncle is a cop, and he has told me he’d deal with someone intoxicated on weed over someone intoxicated on alcohol any day. Alcohol abuse is worse on our bodies and destroys more lives. Weed won’t make you get into a fight or abuse your family. In the US someone dies from alcohol poisoning every week, but it is physically impossible to overdose on marijuana.

    My apologies if this was scattershot and disjointed. I’m a bit high. Happy 4/20 everybody!

     

Comments (176)

  • Weed makes me a nicer person. People should be thankful such a substance can tame this bitch.

  • haha, we gotta fill top blogs with posts like this! 

  • I’m contemplating calling it a day and not showing up to school tommorow. . .

  • I have not smoked weed but not because I think it’s “evil” or anything like that. I have a heart disease and I’m not sure how bad it’ll fuck me up.

  • @AlluringAddiction - I don’t want you to be tamed.@ItIsAllGravy - It’s on!@filthyminds - You could just go stoned.

  • @GodlessLiberal - last time I had the medical stuff, it made zach galifinakis’s standup funny

  • You and I completely agree here. Never tried it, though. I guess that makes me a MJ virgin as if you have not heard enough of that kind of crap already.It is so ironic to me that almost every public official has smoked it, yet feel morally superior in condemning people to jail for doing the same.

  • @GodlessLiberal -  That’s a possibility…

  • @Rainboxx - It would almost certainly be easier on your heart than alcohol.@ItIsAllGravy - Holy shit… that’s some seriously good shit!@The_ATM - Truth.

  • @ItIsAllGravy - lmao, my best friend loves him and would kill me for saying this, but he is not amusing so maybe to make him funny i should smoke weed =Pall of my best friends smoke, my parents and brother smoke (together, might i add) and my parents offer it to me on a regular basis, my friends almost dailyi’ve smoked twice and one of the times i was drunk and i still don’t like the taste of it. that’s literally the only reason i don’t smoke. i don’t like the idea of inhaling smoke either, but as much as i’m around it i end up doing that anyway haha

  • In 90 days, or so, a trip to Canada will bring one into cannabis heaven.

  • Hey, Clinton didn’t inhale so he doesn’t count, lol.  I just got one of those “e-cigs” and the other day it occurred to me that if I had a mechanically inclined mind I could probably figure out a way to turn it into a tiny one-hit bong.  :P

  • Yeah! I steer clear of legal drugs ever since I snorted Oxycontin. The original formula, not the new stuff. Wow. Don’t drink Shroom Tea after that and hit the bong. College was fun. Oh wait, was that college… or yesterday? Well, college was fun too. And I agree with they got the legalized the wrong one. I think Zach Galiafinakis (wow, what a shitty last name to take to kindergarten with you… “now spell your names class”) is funny, but I only watch non- David Cross, non-George Carlin stand-up stoned anyway, so what do I know.

  • I have drastically changed my stance on this over the past couple of years.  Back in college (many years ago), I smoked a good bit of pot until I had a bad experience.  For years, I held to the belief that because of that and other possible negative outcomes, that pot was inherently dangerous.  I have softened my stance on it and now believe that it should be legalized. 

  • The difference is that George W. Bush actually deserves to be in prison, but for reasons more serious than marijuana. @Melissa___Dawn - My boyfriend tried to do that and unless you get one of the really expensive e-cig’s then it’s a waste of weed and money. It’s terrible, too. It was a great idea.

  • Being a druggie is nothing to be proud of.  And it takes a lot of nerve to want government sanction for your drug habit.America is a Christian nation. Our laws must protect virtuous living from drugged out slobs who think nothing of virtue.Big Pharma does not run Congress. Congress passes laws favorable to Wall Street, Big Banking, Big Pharma, Big Real Estate for campaign cash.The entire purpose of Democrat government is to reelect Democrats by establishing a money pipeline from the taxpayers’ pockets to theirs and their cronies under the guise of “social justice”.If druggies weren’t so drugged out, they’d be able see this glaringly obvious detail.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Your trolling is a true delight.

  • @Saridactyl - It is, isn’t it? He’s a hoot.

  • @Saridactyl - @Unstoppable_Inner_Strength - My comment is not trolling, yours is. I invite you to offer a counter argument.  Otherwise, go leave your troll droppings someplace else.The only reason for my profound disagreement with the legalization of drugs to be construed as trolling is because you’re a couple of druggies who don’t like to have their habit questioned.

  • I’d support outlawing patchouli. 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - First, you have no right to tell people to leave MY page.Second, the “points” you made are of semantics or simply blatant lies.[America is a Christian nation.]Absolutely false. “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”- Thomas Jefferson, Treaty of Tripoli.[Big Pharma does not run Congress. Congress passes laws favorable to Wall Street, Big Banking, Big Pharma, Big Real Estate for campaign cash.]This is an issue of semantics, as anyone reading my post would know that I did not imply that we had elected Pfizer to Congress.[The entire purpose of Democrat government is to reelect Democrats by establishing a money pipeline from the taxpayers' pockets to theirs and their cronies under the guise of "social justice".]Please tell me how social justice causes like gay rights make Democrats any money. Also show me how Republicans are any better than Democrats at lining their pockets.[If druggies weren't so drugged out, they'd be able see this glaringly obvious detail.]And if you weren’t such an insufferable human being, we might take you more seriously.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - ASS! You make ASSumptions without knowing jack shit!!!! LOOOOOLLLLL!!!I’m not a druggie. Never have been, and hopefully never will be. PWND TROLL HAS BEEN PWND!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • @GodlessLiberal - I told them to leave me alone, not leave your page, you dunderhead!America is without a doubt a Christian nation. You are simply parroting the fascist nostrum that the government defines a nation. Real American know that it is the culture that defines a nation.Not it is NOT an issue of semantics. It is a matter of principle.  Were government constitutionally limited and without the cash and power, politicians would have no incentive to create a system of taxation whose purpose is to see them perpetually reelected.The re-election rate of incumbent politicians is higher in the US than it was in the old Soviet Union where there was only a single political party.Gays are among the biggest contributors to the Democrat Party.

  • @Unstoppable_Inner_Strength - Most people take drugs to feel insane. You are insane naturally. My apologies.

  • “In my mind, one of the most unjust laws we have here in the United States is jailing people for smoking marijuana. This should outrage everyone, including Republicans who hate marijuana, because it costs $60,000 a year to incarcerate someone, including people like this who are convicted of a non-violent crime.”  100% Agreed! And you didn’t even get into all the wonderful products that can be made from hemp, that are superior to their counterparts, but we are not allowed to produce them here. The help to the American farmer that would be. The help to the budget because it is such a financial drain.And I have never been high on the stuff once. 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - LOL! Yes, Curtis, whatever you say. Now go jack off to Rush Limbaugh.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Hey, but even God gives us free will. Why do you want government to take that away when, in this instance, it is not harming anyone else? And as a matter of fact, it is a drain on an already over abused budget. Your points about them making money, when it comes to marijuana being illegal, all they do is spend, spend, spend. 

  • @AlluringAddiction - Haha, you sound like my pops (don’t take that the wrong way!).This post is just amazing to me, :)

  • @mtngirlsouth - Legalization means government sanction. That means that the government condones the activity.As a Christian in a Christian nation, I want government to sanction virtue, not vice.  The Bible teaches us that a people who freely choose vice end up in misery and tyranny.The lessons of the Bible are as true today as they were in ancient times.If Americans choose to legalize vice, they will end up in a tyranny and a society whose social structure has disintegrated into barbarism.Every single liberal idea, from “social justice” to gay rights, to global warming has lead to disaster.  Legalizing drugs will also lead to disaster.Regarding the costs of enforcing the law… The problem is with the druggies, not with virtuous people.  Tell the druggies to give up their habit. For it is their insatiable appetite for drugs that fuels the high cost of law enforcement.Additionally, your reasoning dictates that we abolish all laws because they cost money to enforce.

  • @mtngirlsouth - It is the drug users who drive up the cost because of their decadent habits.Thousands and thousands of innocent people are dying in Mexico at the hands of the drug cartels. That blood is on the hands of the US druggies, not law enforcement.Druggies need to give up their insane habit. Then you will see the social costs of their iniquity disappear.At what price are laws no longer worth enforcing?  Think of Jesus being betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, the going rate for human life Roman world.

  • @ArmyWife4Life2007 - I got it from my ‘pops’! Hahaha. He’s a stoner and passed it on to me, both my parents actually. Never believed there was anything wrong with weed and still don’t. It’s my miracle drug =]

  • @AlluringAddiction - Truth. The only medical problem weed hasn’t helped me with is being too fucking stoned.

  • @GodlessLiberal - Ayeefuckingmennnnn. Dude, I was in tears last night because my back hurt so bad [I think my knee problems are affecting my back]. Nate goes ‘stop whining and go smoke’. Smartest thing he’s ever said.

  • Whenever I think of the type of person who actually believes it should be illegal without a profit motive, I think of this exchange Wes Clark Jr. had with a caller when he was hosting The Young Turks a few years ago (paraphrasing from memory, of course):Caller: Marijuana ruins the minds and productivity of our youth. You couldn’t name any great technological advancement made under its influence.Wes: Okay, off the top of my head, how about Java. If you read the history of its development, those guys were high throughout the entire process.Caller: What the heck is Java?That about sums it up in my mind. Hahaha.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - But the Bible also teaches that every man has the right, the God given right, to choose whether or not they want to be virtuous. The best way to make people want to put down that pipe is to give them something else that satisfies their hearts. Something that makes the other high unnecessary. The reason I have never done it is because I am into things being real. If I am happy, I want it to be because of something of substance. And my first introduction to pot smokers taught me that when they relied on that to get that kind of joy, the disappointments of regular life became to hard to handle without that extra pep. It was not for pleasure, but just to face the world. I knew that was not for me.Drinking alcohol is also a vice. But Jesus turned water into wine so people could drink it and get a little buzz when celebrating a wedding. And the Bible also says to give people in sorrow wine. But not to kings because it can cloud their judgment and they rule over people, so. Basically, drink responsibly. Why should marijuana be viewed any different? And where does it end, Charlie? Do we pass laws against over eating really good cake? That is gluttony. And people are really obese these days. Do we pass laws that everyone go to mass and say their rosary? What I am saying is that passing laws to force people to obey religion solely because it is a religious rule will never convert anyone. The reason God gave everyone free will was because He does not want service under those circumstances. Therefor, law should only be involved when others are affected, or we will indeed become barbarians. But obedience to God has always been voluntary if it is to please Him. So if we are to be a Christian nation, why should we presume to take away the very free will Christ gave to all?

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - If America made it legal all that stuff in Mexico would stop. And I have already gone over how to make them want to stop. Force and ;laws won’t do it.

  • @mtngirlsouth - The Bible concerns personal morality, not politics or science.America’s Founding Fathers set up a secular government upon a foundation Judeo-Christian ethics.People are free to act as long as their actions do not adversely affect others.  Druggies are a scourge upon civil society.  They are just another open, bleeding wound in American society.

  • @mtngirlsouth - If we abolished all laws then we would no longer have any problems. That is what you are saying.Legalizing drugs is a capitulation to evil.  And since when has evil ever gone away after people capitulated to it?

  • Legalize it all. People can do whatever they want with their own bodies, and they’re not doing anything wrong until they’re infringing upon someone else’s rights.

  • @mtngirlsouth - Not to mention all the money they could make if it were a legal commodity. 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Do you think prohibition should have been repealed?

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - What about pharmaceuticals? Those are legal and they kill more people than most illegal drugs, in fact, most illegal drugs if regulated and consumed responsibly are much safer than most of the drugs you see on tv commercials every day. If you think about it, most street drugs were a lot safer before they were made illegal because they were regulated and people weren’t making them in home made chem labs and cutting them with harmful things.

  • Weed would make someone mellow relax and just want to munch… whereas alcohol loosens you up and you tend to forget what you do (depends on consumption levels of course) …. haha! I guess some experience… ;D I will still have my drink every so often but rarely :( but I haven’t tried or smoked since college years… tried a bit (I got a lil paranoid, needed to  know the time every 2 mins-insane)  and I heard it stays in your system for a month? Enjoy for the rest of us who don’t or can’t =D

  • re: that poster. if anything weed will make the zombies hungrier! but slower, so we have a better chance of outrunning them.  i always wondered why people espouse the ‘America is a Christian Nation’ line of thought. Isn’t that just another way of saying it’s a Theocracy?

  • @Saridactyl - Dont even get me started on “legal prescription drugs”. Half the people we go to church with are ex drug addicts, alcoholics, co dependents, drug dealers, tweakers and most of them now are on some sort of medication for psychosis of some kind and I know of one man and one woman who is set to have back surgery but has been on “legal prescription drugs” for years. Comes to church all f’d up but Oh it’s my prescription. Oh well why should I feel any more guilty for going to church a “little loaded”? Oh because this stupid plant I smoked and not a pill I popped is “illegal” but it’s okay for them because theirs is?  It’s bulls*hit. 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - “The Bible concerns personal morality, not politics or science.” Well them why should anything in it have to do with laws? YOU are the one who wants to bring the Bible into it. So are gluttons. The laws against marijuana only cost America, and do not discourage it’s use. The benefits to legalizing it far outweigh any benefits to it being illegal, on so many other fronts. The cloth that can be made from hemp is superior to cotton. The rope it makes is the best that exists.  And the seeds make wonderful lotions. But we cannot mass produce these things because it is illegal. The we have all the money spent on those caught with it. Their trial, their lawyer, feeding them in jail, their following probation. And the time it takes away from law enforcement and courts. And guess what? Half the judge, lawyers and police or more are doing it too. The laws are not succeeding in deterring anyone from doing it. But they have succeeded in making a lot of judges and sheriffs rich from being paid off not to prosecute the dealers. (I think that is the real reason why it will never be legalized here.) 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - No. I am saying the law only needs to get involved when others are affected. 

  • I’m not sure about the gateway thing because I had the opposite experience with it. A lot of people I did know (family included) did start on mj and work onto harder drugs. I think it really depends on the person and various other factors really. 

  • @stuartandabby - Agreed. I think all drugs should be legal. There’s the argument that a victimless crime can lead to a crime that has a victim, but we should be punishing the crime that has a victim, not crimes that don’t hurt anyone (except maybe the person doing the drugs).

  • @Hinase - I know several people who use other drugs but will not touch weed. @Liquid_Pain_523 - I agree, but even then, those who do drugs that are harmful to themselves need to be rehabilitated and not thrown in prison.

  • @mtngirlsouth - And I am saying that druggies affect everyone they come into contact with. How could it be any other way?  A person of low character engages in vice of their own free will. Personal immorality taints judgment, brain function, family life and every other aspect of a person’s life.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - No more than drinking or gluttony or all sorts of things that it would be ridiculous to even try in practice to outlaw. It is not the drug that make them of low character. A person with very high character can use it for recreation, celebration, or medicine. (It actually does have medicinal qualities.) Making the use of the drug illegal is not going to make anyone’s character better. Which goes back to why it is that God wants us to serve Him voluntarily. Anything else is a sham. Laws will not make anyone’s personal morality any different. That kind of change happens from the inside out, not the outside in. That is why the pen is mightier than the sword. 

  • @mtngirlsouth - Both Peter and Paul preached on the requirement for sobriety. So if you are a real live Christian, that should end the discussion.You can’t be a Christian and be a druggie.Regarding personal morality and the law…Legalization of drugs means that the government sanctions them.  Legalization of prostitution means that the government sanctions it. Legalization of gay marriage means that the government sanctions sodomy.A Christian culture cannot tolerate a government that sanctions immorality.Additionally, government sanction of an activity means that the entire weight of the US government gets behind it.  That means that your private immorality is now my business and the business of everyone.I don’t want everyone’s drug habit to be my business. I don’t want people fornicating with whores to be my business and I don’t want same sex fornication to be my business.

  • I don’t want this shit legalized. Kids today are fucked up enough as it is. Think of the drugs that is most widely used, alcohol and cigarettes. Legalization means more accessibility to those drugs and more kids will go to school high than ever.Fuck that shit, keep it illegal.

  • @stuartandabby - There is no equivalence between alcohol and drugs.  Alcohol consumption has been ingrained in Judeo-Christian and almost every culture for millennia.We see from the opium wars in China during 19th and 20th century that legalized drug use is catastrophic.Alcohol abuse is terrible but most societies have been able to manage it.  Adding legalized drugs spells doom.

  • @Saridactyl - People killing themselves with legal drugs should be a wake up call to people who would legalize all drugs. If more drugs are legalized there will be more druggie deaths.Legalizing drugs means more people killed from drug use along with all the other social ills that rampant drug use has been proven to bring.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Alcohol IS a drug. You’re just making a random distinction between it and any other substance.

  • @GodlessLiberal - I have made no random distinctions at all. Read my comments to find out why.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - And I said I have never even done it. You can be a moral person and not be a Christian. Paul talked about that too. “Legalization of drugs means that the government sanctions them.  Legalization of prostitution means that the government sanctions it. Legalization of gay marriage means that the government sanctions sodomy.”No more than the free will God gave to all could be taken as sanctioning. Do you want a country where we claim to be Christian because everyone who does not act accordingly is punished by the law of the government? Isn’t that how the Muslims do things? I thought you thought that was a bad idea. “A Christian culture cannot tolerate a government that sanctions immorality.”How is it that we tolerate a God Who sanctions free will?”Additionally, government sanction of an activity means that the entire weight of the US government gets behind it.  That means that your private immorality is now my business and the business of everyone.”At the point when it affects others, that is when it makes sense for government to get involved in some way. Like Lynn said in his blog, this should mean that if your drug use has caused you medical problems, my tax dollars should not have to pay for it. But this does not automatically mean that everyone who uses drugs will do that. “I don’t want everyone’s drug habit to be my business. I don’t want people fornicating with whores to be my business and I don’t want same sex fornication to be my business.”Then why do you want it to be a legal issue? This government already gives drug users clean needles. That is completely wrong. This involves other people. The government gives away sex protection, this involves other people. I think as long as they don’t involve others, then there is no reason to force them to stop. The best way is to give them something much better. In other words, instead of trying to make the law force people to pretend like they have a desire to serve God so that they can escape jail, show them why it is better to choose Him. 

  • @mtngirlsouth - The abuse of alcohol is bad enough and you want to legalize all other drugs. That doesn’t make sense.Alcohol is a killer and it is legal, therefore we should legalize all other drugs which are also killers.Your logic simply fails.Further, the problem of gluttony does not compare with drug abuse. Eating cannot be made illegal.  We eat to live. We do not take on a drug habit in order to live.

  • @mtngirlsouth - You are confusing spirituality with politicsI’ve already addressed that point.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - How will laws force people to not want them? 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - ”A Christian culture cannot tolerate a government that sanctions immorality.”"You are confusing spirituality with politics”I really wish you would figure out what it is you are going to argue. Are you going to argue that politics and Christianity should be mixed when you refer to culture as Christian, or are you going to argue that they should not be mixed, while simultaneously stating that the government  should not sanction immorality. Your own words conflict with themsleves, and I see that and I am on YOUR side here! What do you think people on the outside are thinking? 

  • @mtngirlsouth - I have explained myself eloquently.You express the error that free choice is without consequence.God gave mankind laws of conduct in the Ten Commandments.  We can freely choose to follow the law or to break the law.  Following the law brings blessings. Breaking the law brings curses.Mankind was created in the image of God.  As a result the laws that we make for ourselves must reflect God’s will.  Drug abuse is not God’s will. So legalizing drugs would be tantamount to the Jews building the Golden Calf and worshiping it at the foot of Mount Sinai.Druggies may freely engage in their sinful habit. But by doing so they are cursing themselves with the scourge of what drug abuse does.  I don’t want to live in a society that sanctions the curse of a sin that kills the family and condemns children to lives of insanity and misery.That is why drugs must not be legalized.

  • @mtngirlsouth - It is not the purpose of laws to control what people want.The purpose of laws is to order a society so that it can function to the greatest benefit of its citizens.Legalizing drugs brings no benefit to society.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace -  ”It is not the purpose of laws to control what people want.” Agreed”The purpose of laws is to order a society so that it can function to the greatest benefit of its citizens.” And I thought that we have established that forcing them to be religious does not work. Remember, Muslims? “Legalizing drugs brings no benefit to society.” We disagree 100%. 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - “You express the error that free choice is without consequence.” I never said that. “Following the law brings blessings. Breaking the law brings curses.” Agreed.”Mankind was created in the image of God.  As a result the laws that we make for ourselves must reflect God’s will…”Which includes FREE WILL for humans. “Drug abuse is not God’s will. So legalizing drugs would be tantamount to the Jews building the Golden Calf and worshiping it at the foot of Mount Sinai.”No. Legalizing drugs is not at all encouraging their abuse. No more than legalizing marriage encourages wife beating. And the government legalizing drugs is nothing like the Jews building the golden calf. Unless you think the government is the representation of the Church. These things are separate. Jesus even clarified that when He said, “Render unto Caesar…”"Druggies may freely engage in their sinful habit. But by doing so they are cursing themselves with the scourge of what drug abuse does.”Okay. God gives them this right.”I don’t want to live in a society that sanctions the curse of a sin that kills the family and condemns children to lives of insanity and misery.”I think the society you have in mind will not be here until Christ returns for 1000 years of peace. That is why we are in the world but not of it. “That is why drugs must not be legalized.”By this whole comment, you seem to think that the law will somehow affect the individual morality of people. It won’t. You have yet to demonstrate how it is that this law has benefited society. I have already demonstrated how it harms. 

  • @mtngirlsouth - Laws are not a matter of religion.  The morality that God gave to the Jews works for all of mankind.Thou shalt not steal, works well in all civil societies.Intolerance of drugs is also a matter of universal morality. It works in all societies. So the idea that legislating morality is bad, doesn’t work. A moral people must have laws that defend them against thieves, pimps and drug pushers.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - ”Legalizing drugs means more people killed from drug use along with all the other social ills that rampant drug use has been proven to bring.” By this statement alone, it shows that you have no clue what you’re talking about. I’m going to stop feeding you now, later.

  • I see Curtis the Fundie has started trolling again…Anyways, great post, and I do agree. Legalize that stuff so we no longer have to do deal with people getting arrested for getting stoned. To be fair, though, April 20 is also Hitler’s birthday, so anti-pot campaigners are probably going to claim that smoking pot makes you a Nazi.

  • I smoked a joint long before I ever touched a cigarette or alcohol. That’s a secret btw ;) I still call it all BS though. I don’t believe in “gateway” drugs. I think that was a term loosely coined by those who could explain recreational drug use away– and to demonize what the govt could make $$ on. It was also a political winner for politicians who were “tough” on drugs. I agree with Sam. The war on drugs is a dismal failure.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Well, we just disagree. I think the only time the law needs to be involved is when other people are being affected. I cannot see how the idea that the law and is not a matter of religion works together with the idea that American law is supposed to reflect a Christian society. It is so sad that you are so interested in being right that you don’t really care about being correct. I know that in the end the only thing that would satisfy you would be if I converted to Catholicism, because you seem to have a hard time believing that anyone outside the Catholic church is going to make it to heaven. Like the pharisees, you focus too much on beating people over the head with all the rules. I am not sure what you think about being led by the Spirit. The purpose of the rules are to convict the heart to repentance. I don’t really see any of that kind of thinking coming from you.One thing I learned a long time ago about Christians – you have to learn to eat the chicken and spit out the bones. In other words, each denomination has some good ideas, but they tend to put their own spin on it. It is a good idea to not do drugs. Yet there is absolutely nothing sinful about doing them for pain relief, or for psychiatric assistance. This includes calming down from a stressful day. It becomes a sin only when you become addicted, or it conflicts with your ability to attend to your responsibilities. Everything that is purely done for pleasure is NOT a sin. It is sad that you seem to think God does not want us to ever relax and just enjoy things. I really wish you would do that for a minute. It took me forever to learn that I cannot lead the whole world to salvation.

  • @ShamelesslyRed - Thanks, friend. I love you! 

  • This is a fairly typical argument of the drug culture to legalise certain drugs like Marijuana. The problem is that because some things are more harmful does not mean we legalise things which are harmful but less so. Tobacco is legal historically as the harm it does (ie potentially killing people) was not recognised until fairly recently. Certainly in the UK great efforts are made to discourage it and if it came new on to the market today it would not be legal. Alcohol is a similar problem drug but is harmless in moderate doses. Unfortunately many people appear unable to do this in the UK and we now have the problem of young people dying of liver damage. However, the historical and political pressure to keep alcohol legal is irresistable as the prohibition lobby found when they had it banned. When it comes to drugs that are illegal like marijuana, I don’t see why we should allow soceity expose more people (especially young people) to things which do them harm (and there is good evidence marijuana harms some people) for no good reason. There are enough harmful things around anyway. Prohibiting drugs does not, of course, stop some people using them anymore than prohibiting speeding stops some people speeding. But the law does provide a barrier and a safety net beyojd which it is unwise to go. The problem is human nature always wants to take that one step further than it is allowed. So whatever we legalise there will be some who want to go into the illegal territory. Legalise marijuana and we’ll have the same discussion over another (more harmful) drug.

  • @mtngirlsouth - so we give motorists free will to speed (as long as they don’t hurt anyone of course)?

  • Damn good points young man

  • @kenedwards5 - Actually, if they are not in danger of hurting anyone else, why not? 

  • @mtngirlsouth - I truly wish to thank you for sticking up against LoBo from a Christian perspective. You’ve been doing an excellent job of tearing his arguments apart and spinning his own logic back on him, especially in regards to legislating religion. You’re quickly becoming my favorite conservative Christian.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Both Peter and Paul preached on the requirement for sobriety.Are you against the use of all pain medication since it can alter the consciousness? And if you think it’s ok for pain control, then would pot also be ok for pain control only?

  • @mtngirlsouth - don’t you think we have a responsibility to (especially) young people to protect them from things which are potentially harmful to them. I have to deal with people who have blown their minds through drugs and I tell you  they have harmed themselves. 

  • @musterion99 - we must not use the argument of pain control as the thin end of the wedge. I’m actually not against properly prescribed majiuana as a drug to control (eg) MS. In the same way I am not against opium properly used to relieve pain. But this does not mean these drugs should be freely available.

  • Interesting post My husband smoked marijuana in high school and for the first few months we were dating, but I myself have never touched it. I definitely support the use of it terms of medical purposes. My grandpa has skin cancer and because of all the treatment he’s had to go through, he’s been able to smoke marijuana to help him deal with the pain. I personally don’t support making it legal for any other reason. If it was made legal, I’d worry that people would start showing up at school stoned and even to work stoned like for example, truck drivers. I wouldn’t want to drive on a road with a stoned truck driver. Even for any other job, if people could show up stoned they wouldn’t be able to perform their job to the best of their abilities. I don’t smoke it because I don’t want to take anything that could alter my way of thinking or acting for a time (causing me to sin) and that’s also why I don’t really drink except for a glass of wine during the holidays or something.

  • @GodlessLiberal - I am truly honored! (And I really mean that.I know it is hard to tell from written words on a page, but I didn’t mean that sarcastically!) 

  • @kenedwards5 - That is exactly why the focus needs to be WAY more on education instead of doing whatever feels good at the moment because you are a prisoner of your biology or something like that. But there are  a lot of things that a little is good, sometimes even really needed, but too much of becomes poisonous. Just as with the gun control crowd, it is not about laws. The problem is with the people. The solution is not in the law. The solution is in how we think. Ever hear that locks are only there to keep honest people honest? Same thing with laws, really. 

  • @kenedwards5 - Cars are potentially harmful to people. The same goes with water, chicken fingers and books. Shall we ban them all as well?

  • I am of the opinion that people should be free do as they wish so long as they do not infringe on the rights of others.  I think marijuana should be legal, like alcohol.  Personally I have no desire to smoke pot or anything like that.  But I believe in people’s rights.  I wish that the government did not regulate alcohol so much.  The “war on drugs” is a joke and waste of money.  Things like meth should remain illegal because the very production of it can harm your neighbors (like in apartment buildings).  Don’t drive drunk or high because you are risking the lives of others.  But yeah, other than that…let people make their own choices.

  • @kenedwards5 - My question to Loborn was as a pain reliever only.

  • @mtngirlsouth - of course, the problem is with people. That’s why we need laws and policemen to enforce them. However much education we give people there will always be people who want to break the law. I mean, however much you educated people not to park illegally, do you think you could get them to do it without traffic cops?

  • i definitely agree alcohol has worse effects on the body than does marijuana and i’ve personally never heard of a brawl breaking out because a couple of guys or girls couldn’t hold their reefer. i don’t think alcohol should be made illegal though. it was tried. it didn’t work. people just need to grow up. this is not a christian nation. the founding fathers knew well the dangers of a church-state and secured in the constitution the freedom of religion in this county. many of the founding fathers were freemasons. in the mid 1980s while Cardinal Ratzinger, the present pope officially declared and reestablished that freemasons cannot be members of the church, officially stating that freemasons are in serious danger of going to hell. so much for his opinion of the father of the U.S. constitution and many of the countries founders, including an American hero, Paul Revere. nobody has to convert to christianity to be a citizen of the U.S. and even many christians have left the faith while many others are fair weather Christians, celebrating only Christmas and perhaps Easter. the greatest asset and claim the U.S. has to offer the world is in our cultural diversity. ”Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI), as the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, issued Quaesitum est, which states: “… the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.” sources:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonryandhttp://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html

  • @firetyger - the problem is that the choices people make often harm others.

  • @QuantumStorm - frankly that is a fatuous way of arguing. A more appropriate argument is to give people the freedom to drive their cars in exactly the way they wish. Of course there are a lot of things harmful if misused. But the taking of drugs themselves tends to be misuse and can quickly lead to misuse.

  • @kenedwards5 - Exactly. And if they are bound and determined to kill themselves, why stop them? When we are born into this world, we all have free will. The only thing Jesus commissioned us to do was to tell, not to force. It all comes down to whether they are willing to accept it or not. Once they reject it, that’s that. I see no reason to come in with force on them as long as all they are hurting is themselves. If they refuse to listen to the rules, it is their own body to destroy. God does not even force people to not be destroyed in hell, if they choose it. As a matter of fact, some people will ONLY ever come to Him after they have thoroughly destroyed their own lives.  

  • @mtngirlsouth - the simple reason is that in killing themselves they often kill other people as well. there are very few things we do which do not effect others. Just try talking to a parent who’s kid has just died of an overdose and see whether or not they have been harmed. You seem to misunderstand God’s purpose of law in society – to keep evil in check. Laws do not eliminate the evil in people but they do put a limit on things getting worse.

  • @musterion99 - Christianity teaches that life is sacred. That means that medicines are in the realm of excellence.

  • @kenedwards5 - You would need to demonstrate that the majority of people who take such drugs “tend” to misuse them.

  • @mtngirlsouth - Other people are affected by drugs. A drug habit of any kind is pernicious. It kills personal potential, ruins relationships and ruins children.We are to take our pleasure from God, not through intoxication. A drug habit is a worthless vice. Each druggie has a profound effect upon everyone around him.

  • @kenedwards5 - Well, do you believe God is in control here or not? You can not force people to submit to His ways. You just can’t. As much as it hurts to watch them fall, there is only so much you can do. It really took me a long time to come to grips with this fact. But there it is. Thisis the world we live in. The ONLY thing, and I mean the ONLY thing we really have any control over is ourselves. How people receive it, how they use the message, all those things are up to them. I stand by my statement. The only time there should be force is when others are affected. You can’t stop the pain of others from one bent on destruction. And when it comes to death, that is always in God’s hands. If it is not your time, you won’t go, no matter what. I have met too many people who should be dead. I know personally two different people who each tried to shoot themselves in the head and the gun just would not fire when pointed there. Nothing wrong with the gun. Nothing wrong with the bullets. And I know others who did nothing to bring death, but are now gone. You go ONLY when God says. Period. 

  • @kenedwards5 - But doing pot doesn’t harm anyone but yourself.  God gave us free will to make our own choices…whether good or bad.  Personally, I think doing drugs is a bad idea.  But if someone else decides they want to subject their body to it, it isn’t my place to force them to stop.  They’re not infringing on anyone else’s rights.

  • @Saridactyl - I know exactly what I’m talking about because of history, life experience and simple common sense.Societies that legalize drugs, die.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - God made cannabis. Read my above comment for the answer to the rest of this. 

  • @kenedwards5 -Alcohol is a similar problem drug but is harmless in moderate doses.”Alcohol is anything but harmless, there is a lot of evidence that shows that Alcohol harms people more than marijuana does. Tobacco is legal historically as the harm it does (ie potentially killing people) was not recognized until fairly recently.”Marijuana was not always illegal. It wasn’t always called Marijuana, either. That nickname was given to weed when propaganda was running rampant during the time they were trying to make it illegal. They called it that because it was said that Mexican men would smoke weed and rape white women.“When it comes to drugs that are illegal like marijuana, I don’t see why we should allow society expose more people (especially young people) to things which do them harm (and there is good evidence marijuana harms some people) for no good reason.”No offense, but this doesn’t make much sense. There’s not one single documented case of a death related solely to marijuana. There are 75,000 deaths a year related to alcohol in the U.S. alone.Weed being illegal is about much much more than the “harm” it does to people. You should really brush up on the subject.

  • @GodlessLiberal - Protestants like @mtngirlsouth think like atheists as I pointed out in a recent blog. And that is probably the biggest challenge that Christianity faces.  Neither the Protestant nor the atheist is grounded in any kind of absolute truth.You folks just make it up as you go along.That’s why when you see a vice you like you simply hallucinate alternate realities and viola, everything is okay.Catholic tradition, which goes all the way back to Abraham places great value on virtuous living and has zero tolerance for sloth-based vices like drug use.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - You are in for such a surprise one day, Charlie. I hope one day you will be able to see clearly what you tend to miss right now. You have been choking on a lot of bones. Maybe one day you will learn how to pick out the bones from the meat. 

  • @mtngirlsouth - Excusing drug use because God made cannibals is absolutely ridiculous.God made Gama rays, arsenic, black widow spiders and cotton mouth snakes.  All are deadly to humans.In fact most of the universe is deadly to human life.  I suppose I should advice you not to go out and try to smoke a load of universe.

  • @mtngirlsouth - I have based my part of the discussion on a proper understanding of the Bible, common sense, experience and human history. 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - What would the Holy Spirit ever do without you?

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - What makes something a medicine? The laws of society determine what is a legal pain reliever or not. Some states have now approved pot as a pain reliever and in many cases it works where other pain relievers don’t and without the addiction.

  • @GodlessLiberal - She rec’d a comment complimenting her…

  • @mtngirlsouth - You are a person who believes that the earth is 6000 years old.That means that all your philosophical and religious believes are irrational because they have no basis in fact.You believe what you believe simply because. There is no rhyme or reason.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Yes, I do. I explain some of it  here. And I can be happy to explain all the whys behind anything else that the world is churning out that I reject. What I believe is never ever just because. Not because the pope said so, not because a preacher told me, not because you said so. I will be happy to explain anything you would like. I do take offense at the allusion to my not thinking things through. And since you went there, why don’t you tell me why you reject the Biblical account of how long we’ve been around? 

  • @PervyPenguin - Uh…  No.  As it currently stands, weed is more accessible to our youth than alcohol is.  Why?  Retailers ID, drug dealers do not.  If we regulate it, we can take the drug out of the hands of criminals. regulate it, stamp a legal age on it, put it behind a counter, and sell it thusly.  Will it completely solve the problem?  No, kids will still find a way to get ahold of it… but it will certainly help.  However, you are completely incorrect in assuming that legalization would make it more readily available.  It would certainly make it harder to obtain than it is now.Secondly, if people decide to do stupid shit while they’re high, that’s their fucking problem, not mine.  You can’t punish the majority for the actions of the minority – otherwise, we’d have to make cars illegal because some people decide to speed and commit other traffic infractions, and that’s just too damn dangerous.  That’s stupid.  Let them do stupid shit, and let them get in trouble for it.  I, on the other hand, would like to enjoy a smoke and listen to some sweet tunes in the privacy of my own home.  What’s the harm in that?  Nothing.  Absolutely nothing, yet you want to punish me and take away my right to enjoy this amazing drug responsibly because some other twats can’t handle their shit?  Fuck that.Stay above the ignorance, and happy Marijuanukkah everyone!

  • @musterion99 - What makes something medicine is a matter of discernment. Such discernments are usually undertaken by the medical and science community.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - So if they discern that pot is ok for pain management, is that ok?

  • @musterion99 - I am skeptical of medical marijuana.  “Studies” are not always pure science. The Left has pretty much taken over everything. And they will say and do anything to further their agenda.Medical marijuana is in the same league as “homosexuality is normal”.

  • Hemp would help the economy a lot as well. So would LEGAL sells of the drug. Hopefully it legalizes sometime

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace -  I am skeptical of medical marijuana.  “Studies” are not always pure science.Then why aren’t you skeptical of the other studies for pain relievers which cause alteration of the consciousness and many people become addicted to?Medical marijuana is in the same league as “homosexuality is normal”.lol – You can do better than that. The bible says that homosexuality is a sin. It doesn’t say pot is. And again, if you appeal to sobriety, other pain medications cause insobriety. 

  • @musterion99 - There is a pernicious movement within Western Civilization whose purpose is pure corruption.I am skeptical of marijuana studies because that is the drug of choice among druggies.And homosexuality is the preferred sexual abomination.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - I am skeptical of marijuana studies because that is the drug of choice among druggies.Just because some people abuse beer or wine doesn’t mean it should be illegal. Just because some people commit fornication doesn’t mean that married people shouldn’t have sex. And just because some people abuse marijuana doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be used as a pain reliever, especially since it’s very helpful in certain circumstances. You’ve given your opinion as to why you are personally against it but you haven’t made a strong case outside of your opinion. It’s just a matter that you personally are skeptical of what some of the medical studies show.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - I’m sure that anyone who is reading the discussion between us can easily discern that what I said was anything but pointless. Since you’re unable to deal with logic, the only thing you can do is call me a Pharisee and Satan. That’s ok Loborn, I’m not going to judge you. God bless.

  • Theyll never make it legal, the political freaks make too much money from the payoffs. The cops enjoy the power trip.A sad situation.

  • @Melissa___Dawn - $99 dollars for a portable AA battery powered vaporizer (the Magic Flight Launch Box!) with a lifetime warranty. ‘Nuff said? :P And also, a “bong” is a water pipe, so you cannot actually turn an e-cig (which is a vaporizer and does not involve combustion) into a pipe (which actually burns things). :)

  • @musterion99 - You know that you and I rarely agree on most anything. So it holds some serious weight when I say KUDOS!

  • @GodlessLiberal - Hallelujah! We agree!  

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - That’s an interesting new profile pic, LoBorn. Is it of you?

  • @TheThinkingPerson - Since you habitually hallucinate alternate realities whenever the need arises, I can be anything and anyone you want me to be.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - You don’t have to dodge the question. All I was asking was if that profile pic was of you or just a generic one you found online.

  • Of course LoBorn is on here making an ass out of itself.But other than that, great post!

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Didn’t you ever hear of the time Christ turned spinach dip into cocaine? Why else do you think he used to call Luke, Snorty McSnortsalot… oh, and America is dying anyway so why not go out with a bang. Now, if you don’t mind… you’re bogarting. Pass that joint my way I want some of what you’re smoking.

  • Krisko, you freaking hypocrite!  You recommended a COMMENT.

  • @musterion99 - Don’t worry. Lo just has dick envy. Because he has a small penis. 

  • @musterion99 - actually… the word “pharmacia” (sp) is a Greek term used when oracles in Greek society use drugs to get high to get a divine vision from a Greek pantheon god or goddess.  It’s the same idea used to term witchcraft and sorcery… so in this case, using pot to get high is likened to the usage of pharmacia (sp?)

  • I am an old alcoholic. (recovering)   I have been sober for 20 years. I liked to mix pot with booze but booze won and nearly destroyed my family. I recently started smoking pot after decades. Pot relaxes me and I have NO desire to go back to booze whatsoever. Put that in your pipe and smoke it people!

  • @denimmusic777 - actually… the word “pharmacia” (sp) is a Greek term used when oracles in Greek society use drugs to get high to get a divine vision from a Greek pantheon god or goddess.  It’s the same idea used to term witchcraft and sorcery… so in this case, using pot to get high is likened to the usage of pharmacia (sp?)Did you even read any of my comments? They were ALL in reference to marijuana as a legalized and prescribed pain reliever.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace -  @GodlessLiberal  agrees with you.What further proof that you are a tool of Satan?I guess since you and GodlessLiberal both agree that the earth is older than 6,000 yrs., that makes you a tool of Satan according to your own words. You’re just not going to give up, are you? Even when I try to be civil with you.

  • @musterion99 - it was in reference to your quote about pot not being a sin… so in essence… it CAN be inferred that smoking pot is likened to the Greek usage of the word “pharmacia” (sp)… that’s all that I was referencing… honestly for me… I don’t care about the whole pot debate… i just think it’s dumb especially w/ this whole 420 deal… i look at it this way… it’s not a sin to smoke cigarettes… it’s just dumb… just like it’s not an explicit sin to eat a lawnmower… it’s just dumb to do so… everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial… what I can say though, is Lo’s bit about Protestants is rather off kilter… personally, I think a Protestant did something wrong to her for her to say such outlandish things… as if somehow Roman Catholicism is the best system there is… cuz according to her bits about anti-Protestantism, seems to come across that way… but overall, in reference to your post about pot not being a sin, one can infer that to be so if “pharmacia” was understood… that’s all…

  • actually that mini gun isn’t technically legal, that is a fully automatic weapon and you have to have a class three liscence to get that.

  • @denimmusic777 - I also addressed that point. Does that mean the bible is speaking against the use of pain relievers since many of them can illicit a high and altered consciousness?

  • @musterion99 - the Bible speaks neither for nor against… it does not say explicitly, “Thou shalt not take Tylenol!”  but what it does say is to not be mastered by or enslaved to it… which means that leaves room for personal discretion… which means, I would suggest a person ask God what one should do in the matter of smoking pot for medicinal purposes… for myself, I can find no reason to… PERSONALLY… what I will say is a person should not become addicted to it hence the notion of being mastered by it (which happens more often than not)… as with any drug… so user discretion is heavily advised… that’s all that I’m saying…

  • @QuantumStorm - not at all if the taking of such drugs is misuse. You ever had to counsel a mother who’s lost her kid on a bad trip? Once enough is once too many.

  • @mtngirlsouth - you can use the same argument not to have control of cars on the roadf – or anything else for that matter. It is a misunderstanding of the soevereignty of God. God expects societies to pass responsible laws. when they don’t we are actually breaking His.

  • @firetyger - not our choice but the choice of responsible government.

  • @Saridactyl - there is quite a bit of evidence that majijuana causes personality changes that lead to psychosis in some people which lead them to harm others. I know as I have to deal with such people. People who say marijuana is harmless usually have a personal axe to grind of their own.

  • @kenedwards5 - [there is quite a bit of evidence that majijuana causes personality changes that lead to psychosis in some people which lead them to harm others.]As always, I’m going to ask you to present said evidence.

  • @GodlessLiberal - this is personal, first hand evidence in people I work with who have destroyed their lives. In some drugs, including marijuana, was a big factor in certain personality changes.

  • @kenedwards5 - So you’re saying that even the simple act of taking them is misuse, correct? That includes medical marijuana patients?”You ever had to counsel a mother who’s lost her kid on a bad trip? Once enough is once too many.”No, but I know friends and family members who have had to counsel people who have lost their sons/daughters due to reckless driving, and I’ve lost friends to reckless driving as well. That doesn’t mean I would advocate the banning of cars. Not to mention, the key phrase in your statement is “on a bad trip”.

  • @QuantumStorm - I have already made the point that misuse is not under medical supervision. The problem is guys like you want to use this as a thin end of the wedge for a free-for-all. As to driving, we would all accept the need to resultate it. But can you explain to me the virtues of legalising something that might give some people a bad trip? What is the point? Taking drugs (unless for specific medical reasons) is a bad thing in itself. Why legalise it unless to give people like you free access?

  • @GodlessLiberal - It is interesting to me that you argue against religious experience which you say is false. But you argue like anything for legalisation of drugs which send lies and false information to your brain.

  • @kenedwards5 - Wait, so I’m a pothead because I advocate the legalization of marijuana? So does it make me gay if I think gay people should be allowed to have civil unions or state-sanctioned marriages? ” As to driving, we would all accept the need to resultate it.”You lost me on the word “resultate”. Clarify.”But can you explain to me the virtues of legalising something that might give some people a bad trip? What is the point?”Cars have the potential to give people a “bad trip” too, just in a different sense of the word. Shall we ban them too, because they MIGHT pose a threat?”Taking drugs (unless for specific medical reasons) is a bad thing in itself.”So that would include… coffee, alcohol, and any ingestible item that alters normal body function. Which… is pretty much everything. You fail to distinguish between using something in moderation, and abusing it. You have also failed to demonstrate evidence for your claim that the simple act of taking the drug is misuse.

  • @QuantumStorm - I could deminstrate the act of taking a drug is misuse by showing you some of the lives I deal with who have wrecked themselves with those drugs you advocate. it’s OK to be in your ovory tower postulating. You need to get on the ground and see what harm these things actually do to people.

  • @kenedwards5 - I’m still waiting for that evidence. Personal experience is no proof of evidence. I have friends and family members who are counselors and see things quite differently at the “ground” level compared to you. Shall I discount THEIR personal experiences because kenedwards5′s experiences are somehow more important?

  • @denimmusic777 - Sounds like we pretty much agree.

  • @AlluringAddiction - weed is like my BIG PENIS the joint is too high to handle!

  • Weed is like my Penis Xanga is High on it…..

  • @QuantumStorm - Ok you can believe what you want. The fact is certain drugs have a tendency to cause psychosis in certain people. It will not be altered by whether you believe it or not.

  • @kenedwards5 - Certain foods have a tendency to cause adverse allergic reactions in certain people, potentially causing death. Shall we ban those, too?

  • @QuantumStorm - comeon. This argument is fatuous!

  • @kenedwards5 - Then explain HOW it is fatuous, instead of merely saying it is so! Demonstrate that my analogies are inaccurate. 

  • @QuantumStorm - I would have thought it was obvious to any intelligent person. But let me spell it out. The fact is foods are a daily necessity. A blanket ban on food because they have an allergic reaction on some people would mean the starvation of the human race. A blanket ban on illegal drugs would not have that effect but rather tend to improve the health of the population.

  • @kenedwards5 - I didn’t say a blanket ban on all food. I spoke about banning THOSE certain foods. Please re-read my comment.

  • @mtngirlsouth - Invoking the Name of God to make a personal insult is blasphemy. And blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is the one unforgivable sin.I strongly recommend that if you are going to damn yourself, you do for something of more value than a petty insult.That your blasphemy got two recommendation demonstrates conclusively that you are running with the Devil.Beware!

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Actually, I think the “preferred” abomination would be adultery, which has destroyed the church’s credibility on holding any position on homosexuality. I think the last study I read says that approximately 2-4% of the population is homosexual and somewhere in the range of 50-60% of marriages end in divorce. (unfortunately, Christian divorce rate is even higher than non-Christian)All that being said, homosexuality is an abomination.

  • @mccanarie - Adulterers don’t have a congressional lobby. There is no 4/20 special day for adulterers. And California school children will not have to study the adulterous habits of historical figures that way they now have to study the homosexual, bi-sexual, and transgender nature of historical figures.You are just another in a long line of fideist atheists and Protestants like kenedwards, musterion99 and mtngirlsouth to whom reason and rationality are complete strangers.

  • For those that have read the discussion with @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - and me, she (I know that most of Xanga thinks Lobo’s a guy, but I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt since she hasn’t confessed to being a guy) deleted 2 of her comments to me. I’ve seen Lobo do this before. She will extremely insult someone and then AFTER they reply back to her, she will delete her insulting comments. Since I’ve seen her do this before, I made sure to copy what she said. She said - ” You are a Pharisee. I tire of your worthless, pointless arguments. You’ve been trying to trap me and I’m just sick of it. Begone, Satan!”Then she deleted another comment saying I was a tool of Satan because GL and I agreed on something. I pointed out to her that she must also be a tool of Satan according to her own words since she also agrees with GodlessLiberal on some things.So, if it was hard to follow the conversation, that is why, because she deleted 2 of the comments. You gotta love Lobo.

  • @musterion99 - Clearly your purpose has always been denigrate and humiliate me.  But why should I sit still for your abuse? And why should I not have the good taste to delete comments that don’t serve MY purpose, which is to argue against the legalization of drugs.You and the others have been beaten in the arena of ideas, so the only thing left to you all are insults and abuse.It has also been my objective to show how Protestants band with atheists at any opportunity. That’s because the two religions are philosophically identical.Because Protestantism is so intimately related to atheism, it works to destroy Christianity just as does atheism.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Clearly your purpose has always been denigrate and humiliate me. Not at all. We’re both Christians. At least I hope you’re a Christian. In fact, when you wrote your post about Xanga trying to kick you off, I encouraged you to try and fight them and to stay on here. For some reason, you become extremely defensive if I don’t agree with about things. You called me a Pharisee and Satan. What was my response? I told you I’m not going to judge you and I said God bless. Who is denigrating and humiliating who? And why should I not have the good taste to delete comments If you’re going to delete them, why even say them? It makes you come across as cowardly. You’ll insult someone, and then when they reply, you delete what you said, so the readers can only read the person’s reply but not your insults.You and the others have been beaten in the arena of ideas, so the only thing left to you all are insults and abuse.We’re beaten because you say so? I think the majority of the readers clearly think you are beaten in your opinions. And you’re the one abusing and insulting me by calling me Satan. It has also been my objective to show how Protestants band with atheists at any opportunity.Another completely false statement. I see all the time where Protestants are debating against atheists. And I showed where you and GodlessLiberal have banded up in some of your  beliefs. Even though I’m not Catholic, I would never lump Catholics and atheists together like you do.Because Protestantism is so intimately related to atheism, it works to destroy Christianity just as does atheism.It works no more to destroy Christianity than corrupt Popes and priests destroy Christianity. 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Clearly your [musteron99]  purpose has always been denigrate and humiliate me.  But why should I sit still for your abuse? And why should I not have the good taste to delete comments that don’t serve MY purpose, which is to argue against the legalization of drugs.This is funny coming from you. Musteron99 is one of the most earnest and even-tempered Xangans I know. I respect her for this even as I disagree with her and even as I get annoyed by the positions she takes.You, in contrast, play in the mud. I do as well, but you often take discussions to special lows. And this is just the attitudes and personalities you bring, I don’t even want to get to the substance of your entries and comments.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - so you are saying that adultery is not as big a deal in the eyes of God, simply because there are lobbiests for the cause of homosexuality? I was simply making the point that it is hard for the church to stand up and cry for the defense of marriage against homosexuality when it refuses to address the fact that in reality, the biggest threat against marriage is divorce. Both are an abomination in the eyes of God, so why do you choose to be so zealous against one group of sinners and turn a blind eye to a much, much larger group? This is a perfect example of removing the plank from one’s eye before worrying about the speck in another’s. Furthermore, I think the gospel is more about spreading the love of God, as lived in the life of Jesus, as opposed to spreading the hatred of sin(ners).

  • @mccanarie - I’m not saying anything about how God sees sin. That isn’t the topic here.  I was referring to the political and cultural power of the gay lobby and the US druggie population.Nobody wants to get married and see their marriage get torn apart. But there are a huge number of people who want to normalize sexual disorder and drug abuse. In fact, the people who advocate this sort of deviancy are highly motivated.

  • @Celestial_Teapot -  I respect her for this even as I disagree with her and even as I get annoyed by the positions she takes.I don’t believe I’ve ever annoyed you. You’re lying. Get behind me Satan!

  • @Saridactyl - Exactly. Then again, the prison system should be more like a rehabilitation system anyway. If you throw people into a system where they’re likely to be beaten, raped, or whatever, they’re likely to come out more hardened and violent. If you help someone realize the behaviors they engage in aren’t in their own best interest, that they have other options, maybe we wouldn’t have such a high re-incarceration rate.

  • @Liquid_Pain_523 - I agree. some of these people spend a lot of time taken away from society and then they just throw them back out there without even reintroducing them properly. 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - The problem,Charlie, is that in a free society, there is no justification for legislating morality alone. There has to be more basis for the discrimination of gays and lesbians than irrational disapproval (e.g. the lack of a rational justification.) You, and Christians like you, give the rest of us bad names. If you want to repress gays and lesbians, you’d need real world reasons and real world disadvantages and harms.

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