Then I guess I will have wasted all this time. That’s if I’m wrong.
And what if you’re wrong?
Meh. After reading some excerpts of Elijah (not int he bible), seems the description of God with a navigator,… dood, it seems like a scene from Star Trek.
@randomneuralfirings - If I’m wrong then YHWH / Allah / Thor / Zeus / Cthulu / Ganesha / Flying Spaghetti Monster / Xenu / whoever it may be will probably deal with me along with the billions of other people who didn’t believe in him/her/it/them or practice his/her/its/their religion properly. And who knows which is the right one?
I’d rather go where the evidence leads me.
Indeed. Why give us the ability to question if you exist? Why give us the possibility to go to hell, if you love us? Why create suffering in our world? What purpose?
@randomneuralfirings - Jesus last night told me of an unwritten addendum to the Bible: everyone on Xanga needs to paypal me $20 or else they’d suffer an eternity of seperation from God after death. (PM me for the account link)
What if I’m wrong? What if you’re wrong?
@Celestial_Teapot - I’ve already answered the question of whether I’m wrong. If you’re wrong…then…I guess I don’t owe you twenty bucks.
good humor, score!
What if once you’re in heaven, you get stuck wearing the clothes you were buried in for eternity?
If the comic is true, then I’m headed straight for heaven, providing whichever higher being exists decides to overlook the fact I’m probably not a very good person
@musterion99 - Incentive to look awesome everyday!!!!
What if?
Nothing is ever a certainty that’s for sure People just hope and have faith.
LOL!! Love this!
God is a Mexican?
Well, then at least I’d have lived consistently with the evidence I had before me instead of letting a bunch of strangers on the internet who didn’t see what I’ve seen bully me into believing something that didn’t fit.
YAYYY
Not sure I would want to go to a “heaven” where women are thought of like meat. I guess atheists an Muslims have some things in common.
@l_ORE - And I wouldn’t want to go into a “heaven” filled with Christians like you that don’t have a sense of humor.
haha. i love it when people use that argument believing it to be the be all/end all “gotcha”. “what if you’re wrong and i’m right?” i point at a cat and call it a dog. you spend the day showing evidence it’s a dog and in the end i’ve nothing more to say than ”what if you’re wrong and i’m right?” the “i’m rubber. you’re glue….” argument 1st graders use holds more water.
@tendollar4ways - Then I hope he can make some awesome tacos because I LOVE Mexican cuisine!
If you’re right and I’m wrong, all I can say is I’m glad that I did my best with the knowledge and evidence I had.
@TheSutraDude - I agree that argument. It’s the equivalent of “We have to demean and belittle them at every chance we get because they did it to us first”! So elementary school.
@blonde_apocalypse - I suppose it’s fine wrapping belief in faith and putting it up high on a shelf away from discourse, inquiry, and argument; but a lot of us– online and in real-life– believe that the more cherished the belief, the firmer it should withstand scrutiny.
@firetyger - “If you’re [GL] right and I’m wrong, all I can say is I’m glad that I did my best with the knowledge and evidence I had.”
I think a problem with this is that all of us– Athesits and Christians, Liberals and Conservatives– eventually reach a point where we stop asking questions and investigating oppositional beleifs. Along with congealing convictions is the solidifying of social relationships– surrounding ourselves with like-minded folks– that only dumbly reinforce whatever we happen to be believing.
I realize that a lot of questions aren’t worthy of investigation (is the moon landing faked!? were there bombs planted in the twin towers?!), but as a general policy, I think it’s important to remain unsettled, open-minded, and active in interacting and honestly considering the other side.
@GodlessLiberal - It isn’t that Christians don’t have a sense of humor. We do.
We find cartoons like this one offensive because we have a reverence for God that you don’t share.
Given your background, I’d hazard a guess that you know this.
@haloed - obviously, these are all tests, tricks and practical jokes (like dinosaur bones and star light) which God planted among us, to separate the true believers from other people (though of course God already knows everything so he already knows who is a true believer or not, but he takes pleasure in watching the humans interact and react to his practical jokes and tests – kind of like some people like watching reality shows)…
@Celestial_Teapot - There are Christians who do have an open mind in that these kinds of questions are explored. But in the end we all make a determination (and not necessarily a final one, btw).
I often quote Chesterton:
“The purpose of having an open mind, like having an open mouth, is to close it on something solid.”
@bakersdozen2 - I didn’t have individuals in mind with the comment. It was more of an open musing.
It’s just too easy to settle on conviction for reasons more than evidence and argument (or prematurely), and it really takes an active open-mindnedness (intellectual honesty and curiosity) to combat it.
@Celestial_Teapot - I agree that many people do stop investigating their own beliefs and it’s not a good thing. This is part of the reason why I try to keep myself surrounded by an eclectic group of people from many different backgrounds and beliefs. Keeps life interesting and you can learn a lot from each other.
I kind of think you are right. I read a NDE story and when the woman spoke to Jesus, he was really laid back and laughed about “the seriousness” religious people take. I kind of think he was “like” a hippy (wondering around the land, experiencing what life had to offer and coming up with some kick ass philosophy, and living life, but apparently people take really bad offense to that.
“everyone is an atheist about most religions. the thing is, though, that we go one god further.” i can’t remember where i first read that. if christians are wrong, muslims could be right, or jews, or any other religion. or none of them. i can’t care which is right. if there is a god, he should respect my freewill and my ability to use logic and think for myself, and the fact that i am a good person despite not thinking someone/thing created me “in his image” or whatever.
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Then I guess I will have wasted all this time. That’s if I’m wrong.
And what if you’re wrong?
Meh. After reading some excerpts of Elijah (not int he bible), seems the description of God with a navigator,… dood, it seems like a scene from Star Trek.
@randomneuralfirings - If I’m wrong then YHWH / Allah / Thor / Zeus / Cthulu / Ganesha / Flying Spaghetti Monster / Xenu / whoever it may be will probably deal with me along with the billions of other people who didn’t believe in him/her/it/them or practice his/her/its/their religion properly. And who knows which is the right one?
I’d rather go where the evidence leads me.
Indeed. Why give us the ability to question if you exist? Why give us the possibility to go to hell, if you love us? Why create suffering in our world? What purpose?
@GodlessLiberal - As must I.
@randomneuralfirings - Jesus last night told me of an unwritten addendum to the Bible: everyone on Xanga needs to paypal me $20 or else they’d suffer an eternity of seperation from God after death. (PM me for the account link)
What if I’m wrong? What if you’re wrong?
@Celestial_Teapot - I’ve already answered the question of whether I’m wrong. If you’re wrong…then…I guess I don’t owe you twenty bucks.
good humor, score!
What if once you’re in heaven, you get stuck wearing the clothes you
were buried in for eternity?
If the comic is true, then I’m headed straight for heaven, providing whichever higher being exists decides to overlook the fact I’m probably not a very good person
@musterion99 - Incentive to look awesome everyday!!!!
What if?
Nothing is ever a certainty that’s for sure
People just hope and have faith.
LOL!! Love this!
God is a Mexican?
Well, then at least I’d have lived consistently with the evidence I had before me instead of letting a bunch of strangers on the internet who didn’t see what I’ve seen bully me into believing something that didn’t fit.
YAYYY
Not sure I would want to go to a “heaven” where women are thought of like meat. I guess atheists an Muslims have some things in common.
@l_ORE - And I wouldn’t want to go into a “heaven” filled with Christians like you that don’t have a sense of humor.
haha. i love it when people use that argument believing it to be the be all/end all “gotcha”. “what if you’re wrong and i’m right?” i point at a cat and call it a dog. you spend the day showing evidence it’s a dog and in the end i’ve nothing more to say than ”what if you’re wrong and i’m right?” the “i’m rubber. you’re glue….” argument 1st graders use holds more water.
@tendollar4ways - Then I hope he can make some awesome tacos because I LOVE Mexican cuisine!
If you’re right and I’m wrong, all I can say is I’m glad that I did my best with the knowledge and evidence I had.
@TheSutraDude - I agree that argument. It’s the equivalent of “We have to demean and belittle them at every chance we get because they did it to us first”! So elementary school.
@blonde_apocalypse - I suppose it’s fine wrapping belief in faith and putting it up high on a shelf away from discourse, inquiry, and argument; but a lot of us– online and in real-life– believe that the more cherished the belief, the firmer it should withstand scrutiny.
@firetyger - “If you’re [GL] right and I’m wrong, all I can say is I’m glad that I did my best with the knowledge and evidence I had.”
I think a problem with this is that all of us– Athesits and Christians, Liberals and Conservatives– eventually reach a point where we stop asking questions and investigating oppositional beleifs. Along with congealing convictions is the solidifying of social relationships– surrounding ourselves with like-minded folks– that only dumbly reinforce whatever we happen to be believing.
I realize that a lot of questions aren’t worthy of investigation (is the moon landing faked!? were there bombs planted in the twin towers?!), but as a general policy, I think it’s important to remain unsettled, open-minded, and active in interacting and honestly considering the other side.
@GodlessLiberal - It isn’t that Christians don’t have a sense of humor. We do.
We find cartoons like this one offensive because we have a reverence for God that you don’t share.
Given your background, I’d hazard a guess that you know this.
@haloed - obviously, these are all tests, tricks and practical jokes (like dinosaur bones and star light) which God planted among us, to separate the true believers from other people (though of course God already knows everything so he already knows who is a true believer or not, but he takes pleasure in watching the humans interact and react to his practical jokes and tests – kind of like some people like watching reality shows)…
@Celestial_Teapot - There are Christians who do have an open mind in that these kinds of questions are explored. But in the end we all make a determination (and not necessarily a final one, btw).
I often quote Chesterton:
“The purpose of having an open mind,
like having an open mouth, is to close it on something solid.”
@bakersdozen2 - I didn’t have individuals in mind with the comment. It was more of an open musing.
It’s just too easy to settle on conviction for reasons more than evidence and argument (or prematurely), and it really takes an active open-mindnedness (intellectual honesty and curiosity) to combat it.
@Celestial_Teapot - I agree that many people do stop investigating their own beliefs and it’s not a good thing. This is part of the reason why I try to keep myself surrounded by an eclectic group of people from many different backgrounds and beliefs. Keeps life interesting and you can learn a lot from each other.
The pursuit of truth should never grow stagnant
@bakersdozen2 - I like that quote.
I like pizza
@Celestial_Teapot - Evidence and argument should be preeminent. I think personal experience is a significant factor in determination… for everyone.
And it’s possible to make a solid determination (if not a solid argument) for this as well.
But the honest pursuit of truth is a great endeavor. No question.
@godfatherofgreenbay - I like some pizza better than others.
@bakersdozen2 - I’d always assumed God had a sense of humor. Hell, just look at the platypus.
@firetyger - Holy guacamole!!!
I kind of think you are right. I read a NDE story and when the woman spoke to Jesus, he was really laid back and laughed about “the seriousness” religious people take. I kind of think he was “like” a hippy (wondering around the land, experiencing what life had to offer and coming up with some kick ass philosophy, and living life, but apparently people take really bad offense to that.
“everyone is an atheist about most religions. the thing is, though, that we go one god further.” i can’t remember where i first read that.
if christians are wrong, muslims could be right, or jews, or any other religion. or none of them. i can’t care which is right. if there is a god, he should respect my freewill and my ability to use logic and think for myself, and the fact that i am a good person despite not thinking someone/thing created me “in his image” or whatever.
Goodness, there is a lot of worthwhile info in this post!
this site | , | nice page