Do you think that usage of faith is the one best supported by (Christian, e.g.) scripture? Belief incompatible with evidence?
I see you’ve really given up on being subtle and nice. At least, it seems that way. Regardless…me likey mucho.
@nyclegodesi24 - I think the way people describe faith to me (with few exceptions) fit this definition. Especially when you consider almost half of all Americans think the world was created within the last 10,000 years.
This assumes every believer has been confronted with evidence which contradicts their beliefs. I agree many believers are delusional, but I don’t like blanket statements.
@GodlessLiberal - Yeah but how much of that is delusional and how much is just ignorance? When asked if the earth went around the sun or the other way around 1 in 5 americans got the question wrong. Are 1 in 5 americans willfully ignorant about cosmology or just plain ignorant?
@In_Reason_I_Trust - Not so much given up, but yes, being bolder. In actual discourse, I try to be as civil as the person I’m talking to. Hence why I blocked Curtis, because I don’t have the same ability he does to throw feces through a computer screen.
@GodlessLiberal - Yeah, the version of faith some American Christians adopt does paint that sort of picture. In that sense, I do not have faith in God. But I do have faith in God. Scripture tends to speak of faith as an end, a result. Whether that faith is the result of blind allegiance or of long periods of wandering, doubting, trusting (which is the story of most people in the Bible), is something faith by itself doesn’t speak to..
interesting. good quote.
Define “incompatible with evidence.” After all, there is still no evidence of spontaneous life
@grim_truth - By definition, it is impossible to be incompatible with “no evidence.” We’re talking about contrast with existing evidence.
@agnophilo - Please oh please oh please tell me that statistic isn’t true. I might have to go out into the streets and indoctrinate people in astrophysics… Hell, just basic physics…
@GodlessLiberal - I’m assuming you’re talking about things like saying the Earth is only a few thousand years old when we’ve carbon dated things older than that.
Faith is Hope…insanity is an illness. I know I have been there.
@grim_truth - nobody has argued for “spontaneous” life in hundreds of years. Largely because the theory is incompatible with the available evidence. Poor choice.
There is insanity and there are people who see visions. Are the visions hallucinations or are they clues to life from the mind or from the “source”? The Shamens of America often go to seek visions.
Basically there are a lot of people who are leery of people who are put in insane asylums. are you suggesting everyone who is clasified as insane to be shunned? That is the difficulty with words. Some words are tinged with bias.
@nyclegodesi24 - How narrow is your perspective? Faith has some folks following false leaders and faith has had people following the path to greatness.
Faith means to test your belief. Blind faith could mean that the quest to see is not there. My leap of faith to xanga is to just comment and see what shows up. Faith in xanga means that I do not really give up but continue. There is more to religion and culture that offer solace and peace in some cases, while others go to quests. You have gifts to ask questions maybe you can further explain what you mean.
“Faith means to test your belief”
Well, okay. If that’s how you take it to mean, that’s fine, so long as you’re consistent with it.
“How narrow is your perspective?”
I’m not sure how to answer this question.
I remember an article about a schizophrenic and the scientists where amazed that he could go from thinking crazy things to thinking normal things at will. I believe the crazy thing he was doing was saying he could “clean his brain” and then he imagined water draining out of his brain. All this to make the point that religious people can transition in and out of magical thinking at will. I am actually kind of jealous of them because in a strange way being in control your magical thinking shows a high degree of mental health, higher than people like me who cannot, and even higher than people who don’t participate in magical thinking at all.
@agnophilo - Absolutely. Don’t cookie cutter people who are not in full 100% agreement. There are some who believe, contrary to evidence, while most of us find the evidence, once we believe what we read. I’m glad to see you defend the ones who are being accused of being insane, as if they believed without any showing of thinking it through and acting accordingly.
Interesting, depending on what counts as ‘evidence’
I like this fine distinction. The next time I meet a religious zealot I’ll ask him which he is.
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Do you think that usage of faith is the one best supported by (Christian, e.g.) scripture? Belief incompatible with evidence?
I see you’ve really given up on being subtle and nice. At least, it seems that way. Regardless…me likey mucho.
@nyclegodesi24 - I think the way people describe faith to me (with few exceptions) fit this definition. Especially when you consider almost half of all Americans think the world was created within the last 10,000 years.
This assumes every believer has been confronted with evidence which contradicts their beliefs. I agree many believers are delusional, but I don’t like blanket statements.
@GodlessLiberal - Yeah but how much of that is delusional and how much is just ignorance? When asked if the earth went around the sun or the other way around 1 in 5 americans got the question wrong. Are 1 in 5 americans willfully ignorant about cosmology or just plain ignorant?
@In_Reason_I_Trust - Not so much given up, but yes, being bolder. In actual discourse, I try to be as civil as the person I’m talking to. Hence why I blocked Curtis, because I don’t have the same ability he does to throw feces through a computer screen.
@GodlessLiberal - Yeah, the version of faith some American Christians adopt does paint that sort of picture. In that sense, I do not have faith in God. But I do have faith in God. Scripture tends to speak of faith as an end, a result. Whether that faith is the result of blind allegiance or of long periods of wandering, doubting, trusting (which is the story of most people in the Bible), is something faith by itself doesn’t speak to..
interesting. good quote.
Define “incompatible with evidence.” After all, there is still no evidence of spontaneous life
@grim_truth - By definition, it is impossible to be incompatible with “no evidence.” We’re talking about contrast with existing evidence.
@agnophilo - Please oh please oh please tell me that statistic isn’t true. I might have to go out into the streets and indoctrinate people in astrophysics… Hell, just basic physics…
@GodlessLiberal - I’m assuming you’re talking about things like saying the Earth is only a few thousand years old when we’ve carbon dated things older than that.
Faith is Hope…insanity is an illness. I know I have been there.
@grim_truth - nobody has argued for “spontaneous” life in hundreds of years. Largely because the theory is incompatible with the available evidence. Poor choice.
There is insanity and there are people who see visions. Are the visions hallucinations or are they clues to life from the mind or from the “source”? The Shamens of America often go to seek visions.
Basically there are a lot of people who are leery of people who are put in insane asylums. are you suggesting everyone who is clasified as insane to be shunned? That is the difficulty with words. Some words are tinged with bias.
@nyclegodesi24 - How narrow is your perspective? Faith has some folks following false leaders and faith has had people following the path to greatness.
Faith means to test your belief. Blind faith could mean that the quest to see is not there. My leap of faith to xanga is to just comment and see what shows up. Faith in xanga means that I do not really give up but continue. There is more to religion and culture that offer solace and peace in some cases, while others go to quests. You have gifts to ask questions maybe you can further explain what you mean.
“Faith means to test your belief”
Well, okay. If that’s how you take it to mean, that’s fine, so long as you’re consistent with it.
“How narrow is your perspective?”
I’m not sure how to answer this question.
I remember an article about a schizophrenic and the scientists where amazed that he could go from thinking crazy things to thinking normal things at will. I believe the crazy thing he was doing was saying he could “clean his brain” and then he imagined water draining out of his brain. All this to make the point that religious people can transition in and out of magical thinking at will. I am actually kind of jealous of them because in a strange way being in control your magical thinking shows a high degree of mental health, higher than people like me who cannot, and even higher than people who don’t participate in magical thinking at all.
@agnophilo - Absolutely. Don’t cookie cutter people who are not in full 100% agreement. There are some who believe, contrary to evidence, while most of us find the evidence, once we believe what we read. I’m glad to see you defend the ones who are being accused of being insane, as if they believed without any showing of thinking it through and acting accordingly.
Interesting, depending on what counts as ‘evidence’
I like this fine distinction. The next time I meet a religious zealot I’ll ask him which he is.