Silly atheist. Don’t you know that what God believes is what people read in the Bible that agrees with their prejudice? Duh!
From what I’ve read in the Bible, I do believe homosexual acts to be a sin. To the man in the picture, I wouldn’t say how dare you claim to know what God thinks on the matter. I would ask him where in the Bible that position is supported.
Anyways, I don’t believe in making laws about homosexuality or controlling other people’s decisions regarding it. It’s between the person and God. Unless of course, they’re seeking leadership within the Church. But that is another matter entirely.
so many people think they know how god see different things
The word of the christian/muslim god is fascinatingly in line with the inherent bigotry (most of, not all) of their followers. They’re uncomfortable with homosexuality, thus their god is too. And don’t even try explaining to them that Levitical laws were rendered void by Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross according to his own words, or that the ten commandments were actually intended for Jews, not gentiles.
They’d much rather have that lifeline to their personal prejudices. Saying, ‘well, god said this’ absolves one of his/her personal responsibility for them.
Excellent poster marred by a typo. I hope I don’t have to point it out (at least not to those with a moderate command of English.)
I believe I have some idea what my Heavenly Father believes for the same reason I believe I have some idea what my earthly father believes: I have a relationship with him. And I view any claim by a non-follower that they might know God’s beliefs better with a similar incredulousness.
Lol, I read your blogs as a daily devotional.
@firetyger - From what I read in the bible, eating bacon, pork, shellfish and a host of other things is a sin. Having oneself tattooed is a sin. Wearing clothes that is a blend of wool & cotton is a sin and I won’t go into many of the others, but raping a virgin is a sin that can be corrected by marrying her – she is required to marry her rapist. On the brighter side, polygamy is NOT a sin!
@firetyger - I agree with you! … but you will not get a lot of that posting here on this blog, ha ha
@tendollar4ways - Only if you’re illiterate enough to believe that the word “relationship” refers exclusively to associations of a sexual nature.
@Doubledb - I know, but it’s okay. I appreciate getting an atheist’s viewpoint if I ever write a post like this so I return the favor and give them a Christian’s.
That IS an excellent point.
Screw the fags…I want to burn people at the stake for the heinous sin of POLYESTER DOUBLE KNIT…which according to Leviticus is as much an abomination as being gay….just saying….but if you wan to be SELECTIVE about your bible…how does one decide which parts of the SAME passages God was kidding about?
@randomneuralfirings - I wasn’t using the sexual associations of the term gay but the inappropriate and unfair (to people who are attracted to the same sex ) gay as in having a imaginary friend that ONLY you know exactly what he thinks cuz you have a relationship with him kinda gay.
They got that slur all wrong….we should be saying….that is very theists.
Be fruitful and multiply is roughly derived as G-d’s first rule. Roughly be fruitful is a sort of pun meaning being Homosexual but basically if we deny gays the right to marry aren’t we denying them the right to multiply too?
@ZombieMom_Speaks - Thanks for speaking on behalf of Muslims. Good job. FWIW I’m being sarcastic.
I am curious.
What does “sin” mean here and to you?
edit: or rather the above and what are the implications or effects of sinning?
Lol I love Ted. I met him through an old job.
Responding to this post, and in part to one of the comments (from the person who said something about a relationship and knowing):
The Bible is a very, very, very long book. And because we are all predisposed towards a certain set of beliefs (be they inherited from our parents and other authority figures or through experience), we will approach life carrying that baggage. Faith is no different. Even if you have a relationship with someone, that doesn’t mean you actually know what they mean or how they think. My parents have been married for 30 years, and they still can’t understand each others’ manner of communication, and certainly doesn’t mean they pretend to know exactly how the other would respond in any given situation to anything. Moreover, it doesn’t mean they view the same things with the same degree of offense or importance. Every person of faith needs to recognize that when they read their holy text, they are reading into it what (a) the translator of the text has deemed proper, and more importantly, (b) their own viewpoints and baggage, including their own fears, insecurities, pride, and arrogance. I cannot speak much for other religions because I have not had occasion to study them as an intellectual exercise, but certainly in Christianity, where “God’s ways are higher than man’s ways” and is based on a “love that transcends all understanding,” I would hope Christians have both the humility to recognize they might be wrong, and the intellectual honesty to be willing to concede that passages in the Bible are open to many, many, many plausible, probable, and theologically correct interpretations. More importantly, I would hope that those who cling so ardently to their theological beliefs can see others who cling equally ardently to theirs, all fervently in the firm belief that they are absolutely right, and realize that that conviction is simply the pride and arrogance of man, who is willing to believe that God is with them on any (and indeed, every) issue.
I think @firetyger‘s answer successfully refutes the argument of the post. If the Bible is accurate, then God’s will may be gandered at through Biblical textual interpretation. Some moral questions yield very clear answers when filtered through the bible.
@DEISENBERG - “From what I read in the bible, eating bacon, pork, shellfish and a host of other things is a sin. Having oneself tattooed is a sin. Wearing clothes that is a blend of wool & cotton is a sin…”
Our United States Constitution states clearly a three-fifth compromise. Why isn’t it in effect?
In the same way, parts of the NT modfies interpretation for or strikes out requirements from the OT.
@galadrial - LMFAO!!! “POLYESTER DOUBLE KNIT…which according to Leviticus is as much an abomination as being gay” THANK YOU for making me laugh for real!!
@firetyger - And if I asked you where in the Bible it speaks of homosexuality being a sin, you would show me passages in the Old Testament. And I would laugh and show you other passages in the Old Testament about stoning disobedient adolescent children and other crazy stuff that you wouldn’t accept today.
And if you showed me places where Paul says it is a sin, I would laugh and show you other things that Paul said that you will not accept – like men shouldn’t marry unless they are lusting, or that women should keep their heads covered.
And if I asked you to show me where Jesus said somehing, anything, about homosexuality, you would be struck dumb. You couldn’t answer.
And if I asked you why you base your faith on the Bible rather than knowing what is right and wrong from inside you, you couldn’t come up with a good answer other than you want to believe that. So if you want to believe that homosexuality is a sin, then go ahead. But you will not have my respect for that belief.
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Truth! It’s always so simple.
Silly atheist. Don’t you know that what God believes is what people read in the Bible that agrees with their prejudice? Duh!
From what I’ve read in the Bible, I do believe homosexual acts to be a sin. To the man in the picture, I wouldn’t say how dare you claim to know what God thinks on the matter. I would ask him where in the Bible that position is supported.
Anyways, I don’t believe in making laws about homosexuality or controlling other people’s decisions regarding it. It’s between the person and God. Unless of course, they’re seeking leadership within the Church. But that is another matter entirely.
so many people think they know how god see different things
The word of the christian/muslim god is fascinatingly in line with the inherent bigotry (most of, not all) of their followers. They’re uncomfortable with homosexuality, thus their god is too. And don’t even try explaining to them that Levitical laws were rendered void by Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross according to his own words, or that the ten commandments were actually intended for Jews, not gentiles.
They’d much rather have that lifeline to their personal prejudices. Saying, ‘well, god said this’ absolves one of his/her personal responsibility for them.
Excellent poster marred by a typo. I hope I don’t have to point it out (at least not to those with a moderate command of English.)
I believe I have some idea what my Heavenly Father believes for the same reason I believe I have some idea what my earthly father believes: I have a relationship with him. And I view any claim by a non-follower that they might know God’s beliefs better with a similar incredulousness.
Lol, I read your blogs as a daily devotional.
@firetyger - From what I read in the bible, eating bacon, pork, shellfish and a host of other things is a sin. Having oneself tattooed is a sin. Wearing clothes that is a blend of wool & cotton is a sin and I won’t go into many of the others, but raping a virgin is a sin that can be corrected by marrying her – she is required to marry her rapist. On the brighter side, polygamy is NOT a sin!
@firetyger - I agree with you! … but you will not get a lot of that posting here on this blog, ha ha
@randomneuralfirings - Ironically, that was a very gay comment.
@tendollar4ways - Only if you’re illiterate enough to believe that the word “relationship” refers exclusively to associations of a sexual nature.
@Doubledb - I know, but it’s okay. I appreciate getting an atheist’s viewpoint if I ever write a post like this so I return the favor and give them a Christian’s.
That IS an excellent point.
Screw the fags…I want to burn people at the stake for the heinous sin of POLYESTER DOUBLE KNIT…which according to Leviticus is as much an abomination as being gay….just saying….but if you wan to be SELECTIVE about your bible…how does one decide which parts of the SAME passages God was kidding about?
@randomneuralfirings - I wasn’t using the sexual associations of the term gay but the inappropriate and unfair (to people who are attracted to the same sex ) gay as in having a imaginary friend that ONLY you know exactly what he thinks cuz you have a relationship with him kinda gay.
They got that slur all wrong….we should be saying….that is very theists.
Be fruitful and multiply is roughly derived as G-d’s first rule. Roughly be fruitful is a sort of pun meaning being Homosexual but basically if we deny gays the right to marry aren’t we denying them the right to multiply too?
@ZombieMom_Speaks - Thanks for speaking on behalf of Muslims. Good job. FWIW I’m being sarcastic.
I am curious.
What does “sin” mean here and to you?
edit: or rather the above and what are the implications or effects of sinning?
Lol I love Ted. I met him through an old job.
Responding to this post, and in part to one of the comments (from the person who said something about a relationship and knowing):
The Bible is a very, very, very long book. And because we are all predisposed towards a certain set of beliefs (be they inherited from our parents and other authority figures or through experience), we will approach life carrying that baggage. Faith is no different. Even if you have a relationship with someone, that doesn’t mean you actually know what they mean or how they think. My parents have been married for 30 years, and they still can’t understand each others’ manner of communication, and certainly doesn’t mean they pretend to know exactly how the other would respond in any given situation to anything. Moreover, it doesn’t mean they view the same things with the same degree of offense or importance.
Every person of faith needs to recognize that when they read their holy text, they are reading into it what (a) the translator of the text has deemed proper, and more importantly, (b) their own viewpoints and baggage, including their own fears, insecurities, pride, and arrogance.
I cannot speak much for other religions because I have not had occasion to study them as an intellectual exercise, but certainly in Christianity, where “God’s ways are higher than man’s ways” and is based on a “love that transcends all understanding,” I would hope Christians have both the humility to recognize they might be wrong, and the intellectual honesty to be willing to concede that passages in the Bible are open to many, many, many plausible, probable, and theologically correct interpretations.
More importantly, I would hope that those who cling so ardently to their theological beliefs can see others who cling equally ardently to theirs, all fervently in the firm belief that they are absolutely right, and realize that that conviction is simply the pride and arrogance of man, who is willing to believe that God is with them on any (and indeed, every) issue.
I think @firetyger‘s answer successfully refutes the argument of the post. If the Bible is accurate, then God’s will may be gandered at through Biblical textual interpretation. Some moral questions yield very clear answers when filtered through the bible.
@randomneuralfirings‘s answer is just weird.
@DEISENBERG - “From what I read in the bible, eating bacon, pork, shellfish and a host of other things is a sin. Having oneself tattooed is a sin. Wearing clothes that is a blend of wool & cotton is a sin…”
Our United States Constitution states clearly a three-fifth compromise. Why isn’t it in effect?
In the same way, parts of the NT modfies interpretation for or strikes out requirements from the OT.
@galadrial - LMFAO!!! “POLYESTER DOUBLE KNIT…which according to Leviticus is as much an abomination as being gay” THANK YOU for making me laugh for real!!
@firetyger - And if I asked you where in the Bible it speaks of homosexuality being a sin, you would show me passages in the Old Testament. And I would laugh and show you other passages in the Old Testament about stoning disobedient adolescent children and other crazy stuff that you wouldn’t accept today.
And if you showed me places where Paul says it is a sin, I would laugh and show you other things that Paul said that you will not accept – like men shouldn’t marry unless they are lusting, or that women should keep their heads covered.
And if I asked you to show me where Jesus said somehing, anything, about homosexuality, you would be struck dumb. You couldn’t answer.
And if I asked you why you base your faith on the Bible rather than knowing what is right and wrong from inside you, you couldn’t come up with a good answer other than you want to believe that. So if you want to believe that homosexuality is a sin, then go ahead. But you will not have my respect for that belief.