Saturday, 06 September 2008

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    I'm going to hell... is anyone suprised?

    September is here, and at my school, the University of Minnesota, this means two things: the beginning of classes (I'm taking ecology as well as new testament studies, so I'm sure some environmental and biblical context posts will become more frequent leading up to December), and the return of Brother Mike, Brother Steve and Brother Jed, the trio of super-conservative, super-evangelical, super-offensive preachers that travel the country going from campus to campus preaching damnation.

    It being the first week of classes, I don't have much homework, and I've got quite a bit of time between my afternoon classes. So I join the crowds of fifty or so people that watch and harangue the Brothers. Upon seeing my tattoo, Brother Jed told me I could use a "good spanking with the Bible!" which he then emphasized by slapping the Bible into his palm. I walked up to him and bent over... this is obviously a man of God, and I don't want to go to hell, now do I? Unfortunately, my backside has yet to feel the sweet salvation of Jed's aging Bible. I sat down, intent to learn more about how I could be saved. I became dismayed the more I listened.

    "Do you listen to rock and roll? Do you drink beer? Do you smoke mary-jew-ana? Do you masturbate? Do you look at pornography? Do you have premarital sex? Do you kiss before getting married? Do you take the Lord's name in vain? Do you believe in EVILution?" I had to admit that yes, I do all these things, sometimes simultaneously. "Then you are going straight to HELL!"

    We were also treated to a wonderful sex ed course involving graphic depictions of electrical cords having sex, as well as Jed making thrusting motions. Then there was a singalong, where we joined in on the lovely tune, "It's Not OK To Be Gay." I found a video of this on YouTube, unfortunately the video my friend took locally is not posted yet.



    Then came Brother Mike, who made Jed seem tame by comparison. Mike felt compelled to single me out of the crowd and talk of the evils of EVILution. He told me he had studied evolution in depth, but found creationism fit the facts better. I felt compelled to test him on this. "Brother Mike," I ask, "can I ask you a question about evolution?"
    "You mean EVILution?" he screamed (Mike is a screamer).
    "Sure. What are the three main components of evolution? I'll give you the first two: heritability of traits, variation in a population, and what else?"
    He tries to begin telling me how evil I am for being an atheist, but I won't let him dodge this.
    "Brother Mike, you claim to have studied evolution in depth, so answer my question please. I'll give you a hint, it's part of the title of Darwin's book. 'On the Origin of Species by Means of ... two words, Brother Mike. Fill in the blank."
    Brother Mike preached for two hours, and never once answered my question. The answer, of course, is "natural selection," as anyone who has "studied EVILution intenstively" would be able to tell you. In fact, high school sophomores would need to know this to pass their introductory biology class.

    But Mike's fun didn't stop there. He began telling us how all Muslims are terrorists, how all blacks are closet Muslims, and how all homosexuals want to molest young boys. Liberals aren't really promoting gay rights, they just want to use it as a stepping stone to further deviant practices, such as polygamy, owning sex slaves, and marrying animals and kitchen appliances. Humanism is the exact same thing as hedonism. Feminists are decieving women into thinking they are the equals of men, and all the women on campus are waisting tuition... they need to drop out, go find a nice strong Christian man, ("you'll have to go off campus to find one of them, because Brother Jeb, Brother Steve and me are all married!") get married and cook for him, clean for him and give him lots of babies.

    At this point someone asked, "Brother Mike, where's your wife right now?"
    Brother Mike replied, grinning like the molevolant idiot he is, "Somewhere between the kitchen and the bedroom." I assume he means the spot in the hallway where he has her chained up.

    Then came Brother Steve, who was fairly boring compared to his predecessors. He simply sang hymns, unsuccessfully attempting to lead us in a verse of "Nothing but the Blood of Jesus." Meanwhile, I managed to successfully lead the crowd in my favorite hymn, "Bohemian Rhapsody." Then it was quoting scripture. He pulled out that evangelical favorite when talking to heathens, Psalm 14:1:
    The fool says in his heart,
           "There is no God."
           They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
           there is no one who does good.

    So grabbing my trusty Study Bible, I stood up and quoted my favorite Bible passage, Revelation 9:7-10:
    And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
    And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
    And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
    And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

    The question I kept repeating, over and over again to all three of them, was: "Isn't there a more effective way to try and save people? Look around you, everyone here is here to laugh at what you're saying. Your techniques of telling us why we're all going to hell and screaming our sins at us isn't saving anybody. How does this help your cause?"

Comments (44)

  • HeartOfPandora

    That video is so disgusting I couldn't get past the very first "It's not okay to be gay."

  • getreal64

    That video is hilarious, especially the use of the term "lezbo."  How current!

  • soccerdadforlife

    The style of preaching of the three preachers only works when the crowd believes that the Bible is God's Word and they know a bit about it.  The three preachers failed to connect with their audience's minds.  Jonathan Edwards' preaching worked in the 18th century when people believed that the Bible is God's Word and knew a bit about it--not too much any more.

  • Demetrios_of_Phaleron

    I know it's a bit of a cliche to say it, but if heaven is populated solely by guys like the Brothers Three, I'm not sure hell isn't the preferable destination.  Certainly the conversation will be better (and quieter).

  • GodlessLiberal

    @soccerdadforlife - I talked to a few in the audience who were Christians, but moderate ones. They were extremely put off by their preaching. Also, there were plenty of people in the crowd who know "a bit" about the Bible, sometimes more than "a bit," including myself.

  • rdccdr8011

    Haha, I'm just like you. Liberal, anti-religious.. and full of good comebacks.

  • drung888

    O yeah...my Friday nights consist of watching Girls Gone Wild set to an AC/DC album with a Heineken and joint in one hand and the other hand down south all while screaming out Darwin's name...

    What can I say...he shakes me all night long...
    ...
    On one of my visits to my friends at UCLA...a preacher got into a debate with a passing professor which eventually lead to the preacher questioning the professor's "lack of logic"...

    The professor's response of "I TEACH LOGIC YOU MOTHER FUCKER!" became an instant classic...

  • bryangoodrich

    Yeah, I hope the religious freaks come out on TTh so I'll be able to attend. I usually get involved with 'em, too, but I don't keep a trusty Bible on hand with me. I have enough books already! I love how they always evade questions. The common thread you'll see in all these events is that someone has to constantly remind them "you going to answer my question?!" Which seems to take about two hours. The devoted assholes like me will wait that long to make sure they have to face up! Unfortunately, everyone at the start has usually left by then. I think it is more fun to bash the "roadies" who travel with them, set stuff up and hand crap out all around to the crowd trying not to engage in the main stuff but will still face you in a real dialog. They are SO brainwashed it's scary! I do think the leaders have enough sense though. They have to to be in that position. Maybe they do it because they actually believe, in some screwed up way, it will save them. I am willing to believe they're that selfish.

    Oh yeah, and I'll see you in hell brother!

  • bryangoodrich

    oooooh hahahaha, I just watched the video. Someone should tell them to do a California tour. I want these bastards to come to my school. Ho-ly shit he is dense. 

  • GodlessLiberal

    @bryangoodrich - I know he goes to California, I think Berkeley, maybe others. He sticks to big, mostly public schools.

  • vickevlar

    If I had seen that I would have immediately assumed it was tongue-in-cheek, I mean it is SO over the top haha.  I could not imagine them coming to my school though. 

  • GodlessLiberal

    @vickevlar - I've seen him for five years in a row. He honestly believes this stuff.

  • bryangoodrich

    @GodlessLiberal - maybe when I'm at Berkeley I'll get to see him then! I don't think CSUS is big enough for his tastes. 

  • TruthBelt

    Looks like a real circus, to say the least. I don't know who those guys are, so I can't say much about them. I think perhaps their intent is admirable, from a Christian perspective, though their method is rather crude, offensive, and apparently ineffective.

    Just curious, have you ever heard of Ray Comfort?

  • GodlessLiberal

    @TruthBelt - Sure, Way of the Master. We've had him on campus for a joint Campus Atheist / Campus Crusaders event. Why?

  • sprolee

    I'm so very proud. I'll see you in hell too. We can party there.


    You can't reason with an irrational creature. Why even try?

  • TruthBelt

    @GodlessLiberal - Just wondered what you thought of him and his ministry.

  • drung888

    @bryangoodrich - I don't think they would even hit UC Davis considering how hard it is to get people to slow down their bikes to listen to the Brothers' shit...

    I guess that's just the downside for not going to bay-area schools...

  • bryangoodrich

    @drung888 - We get people like him, but I want to see him actually pull that electric cord crap at my school. That was definitely a first. That,and he's musical. The last guy we had just told us we were all going to hell and two hours later he tries to deny it lol

  • wesermol

    This is certainly not the way Jesus witnessed and tried to win souls.  These sound like control people which reminds me of a lot of peple in religion.  But don't let that discourage you from being a Christian.  There are many wonderful Christians who are not judgmental and truly care about people.

  • soccerdadforlife

    Has anyone heard Ravi Zacharias speak?

  • Spoonwood

         I used to see clowns like and including specifically Jed at BGSU back around the turn of the millenium.  I think I paid attention to one of them my freshman year.  After that their idiocy didn't even bring a smile to my face... a simple waste of time.  I heard Jed once got tossed in a lake actually at my campus before they filled it in my senior year.

    @soccerdadforlife - These clowns don't remotely approach the level of Jonathan Edwards and never have.  No doubt there exist major, major stylistic differences too if you actually take the time to sit down and seriously compare Edwards vs. Jed or whomever.  Try reading the Wikipedia on Jonathan Edwards or something or just this "He entered Yale College in 1716, at just under the age of thirteen. In the following year, he became acquainted with John Locke's

    Essay Concerning Human Understanding

    ,
    which influenced him profoundly. During his college studies, he kept
    note books labelled "The Mind," "Natural Science" (containing a
    discussion of the atomic theory),
    "The Scriptures" and "Miscellanies," had a grand plan for a work on
    natural and mental philosophy, and drew up for himself rules for its
    composition. Even before his graduation in September 1720, as
    valedictorian and head of his class, he seems to have had a well
    formulated philosophy. He spent two years after his graduation in New Haven studying theology."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Edwards_(theologian)

  • MIDVALCRE

    Is that the University that PZ Myers teaches at?  This video would be funny if only so many people didnt actually truly believe in this shit.  And that they have the same voting rights as me.  I find that sad. 

  • perspectivethoughts

    That's a horrible thing to go through. I mean, in no way would anyone even consider the thought of being a Christian if the message is that you're going to hell and that you would be like the Brothers.

  • tequila_sky

    lmao!! That song is so funny!! Didn't he realize they were laughing at him? After that it became annoying.
    Oh, man it's entertaining but I think they should be able to discuss with you without going into the "you are going to hell'' argument.. Aren't we as humans supposed not to do the judging?

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