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Who Wrote the Bible?
By Richard E. Friedman
see relatedBOTH of Noah's Floods
If one is familiar with the documentary hypothesis, then one knows that the theory states that the Torah (the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament) were not written at once by Moses, but instead written by at least four authors and a redactor who spliced it all together later on. The authors were given alphabetic symbols for names:
- J, because this author was associated with the divine name Jehovah/Yahweh (normally translated into LORD in all capitol letters in English translations like the NIV I have below).
- E, the author who referred to the deity as God (Elohim, in Hebrew).
- P, who authored most of the Torah and dealt mainly with legal issues and matters dealing with the priests (hence P).
- D, who appears to have written all of Deuteronomy and nothing else.
A great example of some strange redacting of two authors' accounts can be found in the story of the great deluge, better known as Noah's Flood. It is a combination of the Priestly (P) source and Jehovic (J) source. The P source will be in bold and italics:Genesis 6:5-8:22
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them." 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.9 This is the account of Noah.
Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God. 10 Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.11 Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. 14 So make yourself an ark of cypress [a] wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. 15[b] 16 Make a roof for it and finish [c] the ark to within 18 inches [d] of the top. Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks. 17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons' wives with you. 19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them." This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high.
22 Noah did everything just as God commanded him.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven [e] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."
5 And Noah did all that the LORD commanded him.
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had with them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15 Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 1920 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [f] , [g] 21 Every living thing that moved on the earth perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 2223 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded. 2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky. 3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, 4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. 5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.
6 After forty days Noah opened the window he had made in the ark 7 and sent out a raven, and it kept flying back and forth until the water had dried up from the earth. 8 Then he sent out a dove to see if the water had receded from the surface of the ground. 9 But the dove could find no place to set its feet because there was water over all the surface of the earth; so it returned to Noah in the ark. He reached out his hand and took the dove and brought it back to himself in the ark. 10 He waited seven more days and again sent out the dove from the ark. 1112 He waited seven more days and sent the dove out again, but this time it did not return to him. When the dove returned to him in the evening, there in its beak was a freshly plucked olive leaf! Then Noah knew that the water had receded from the earth.
13 By the first day of the first month of Noah's six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. 14 By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry.
15 Then God said to Noah, 16 "Come out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives. 17 Bring out every kind of living creature that is with you—the birds, the animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground—so they can multiply on the earth and be fruitful and increase in number upon it."
18 So Noah came out, together with his sons and his wife and his sons' wives. 19 All the animals and all the creatures that move along the ground and all the birds—everything that moves on the earth—came out of the ark, one kind after another.
20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. 21 The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though [h] every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.
22 "As long as the earth endures,
seedtime and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
day and night
will never cease."Try reading earch version seperately (the P version while skipping the J version, the J version while skipping the P version) and you'll see it's the same story told twice in two different styles. They can each be read on their own. The styles are markedly different as well.
- The P story (the bold and italicized one) always refers to the deity as God, while the J version always uses the name "the LORD."
- P refers to the sex of the animals with the words "male and female." J uses the terms "man and his woman" as well as male and female.
- P says that everything "expired" (probably including the milk). J says that everything "died."
- P has one pair of each kind of animal. J has seven pairs of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.
- P pictures the flood as lasting a year (370 days). J says it was forty days and forty nights.
- P has Noah send out a raven. J says a dove.
- P obviously has a concern for ages, dates, and measurements in cubits. J doesn't.
- J pictures a deity who can regret things that he has done (6:6-7), which raises interesting theological questions, such as whether an all-powerful, all-knowing being would ever regret past actions (but I digress). J pictures a deity who can be "grieved to his heart" (6:6), who personally closes the ark (7:16) and smells Noah's sacrifice (8:21). This anthropomorphic quality of J is virtually entirely lacking in P. In P, God is regarded more as a transcendent controller of the universe.
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Comments (27)
JEDP theory was very cutting edge in 1955.
@JadedJanissary - And yet people keep telling me that all of the Torah was written in one fell swoop by Moses (included Moses' funeral, somehow).
@JadedJanissary - You call it a theory. Is that because you think it's untrue, or do you think it's true but not damaging to the claim that scripture is God-breathed?
@GodlessLiberal - Of course parts of the torah probably had other writers. Moses is simply claimed as the main writer in tradition.
@SirNickDon - I call it a theory because it IS a theory. No J, E, D, or P document has ever been found. While there were probably some editors of the text, the idea that there were 4 separate documents that were then compiled into a larger document in this way seems a bit absurd, especially given the ancient Jewish traditions regarding the sacredness of God's name, and how careful that they were in transcribing the documents. Would it be damaging to the documents if we found out that moses was only a partial author, or simply the subject and inspiration? Not really. Do I think it's likely that 4 separate authors works were compiled together in approximately the 4th century BC? Not really.
@JadedJanissary - Yeah, I hear you. I've seen some accounts of the documentary hypothesis that have one author taking over for another halfway through a sentence. Anyone who claims to have a perfect account for how the layers work is self-deluded, including of course the fundamentalists who are certain that God told Moses what his own death would look like so he could write the last few verses.
Thanks for sharing the wackiness. I may need to go back and re-read this crazy book at some point. I've forgotten so much.
Noah's flood... still can't believe I used to buy that story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5svTzxVa-xQ&feature=channel_page
EDIT: I know this wasn't a terribly intelligent comment, but I found myself wanting to link this video, I really did.
The idea that the first five books were all written by Moses is something that at least some Christians are unable to let go of. I remember as a child wondering how Moses wrote about things that happened after he died. Some told me it was because he was inspired and so he knew what was going to happen. Some told me that Joshua finished up the last bits that occurred after Moses died. Who or how many people wrote the Torah doesn't really matter to me now, since we can't be sure. I know the flood story is found in other ancient myths, and wonder which version, P or J most resembles the other cultural myths of the day. I would think J.
I am really interested in studies involving the differences between Elohim and Jehovah because so much of the OT - and the Bible in general - seems to be describing 2 completely different deities. Jehovah was the vengeful human-like god who destroyed his enemies and punished the Israelite while Elohim was the more transcendent benevolent, albeit less actively powerful god. Eventually Jehovah won out and the idea of different facets describing one God and not two (or more) gods took hold. And, is it just me, or is the Holy Spirit only mentioned and described in the NT? I heard from a pastor once that God used to be only singular 'Jehovah' until he made part of himself flesh in Jesus. It wasn't until then that he split into the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I have not found any real evidence for this anywhere, but its strange some of the theories that go around about the Christian/ Jewish God's singular/ multipleness.
Hope I didn't go to off topic here... Multiple writers about multiple gods... but they are only one writer about one god...
I had not heard the JEPD thing before, but had been aware of the alternating and conflicting stories throughout Genesis (starting of course with the conflict between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2). Thanks for sharing this.
I think Noah and the Flood is a legend anyway... it's just too... legendy. I think the point of the whole story was the ending lesson... that God forgives.
Those dodo birds are ogling the table tennis. They're saying "I got next!" and you can tell!
@TheGreatBout - And the turtle is clearly saying, "bugger off. I got here first."
@Jimbo1023 - I didn't even see that. You're totally right! I bet he is surprisingly good too.
@Jimbo1023 - @TheGreatBout - I'll bet it's hard to play ping-pong on a boat during a worldwide flood.
@SirNickDon - Pinball would be tougher. You'd get TILT every ten seconds. Maybe that explains why there are no more unicorns. Shem got pissed off after the 800th ruined game and killed one of them.
@SirNickDon - @JadedJanissary - I remember reading about how one researcher created a program that took one section of text and parsed it to show multiple authors. One of his grad students then took one of the author's papers and ran it through the program and the result also showed multiple authors. That was kind of funny.
I find Wiseman's hypothesis of the multiple authorship of Genesis to be very convincing based on the text.
JEPD, as I recall, necessarily relied on Abrahamic illiteracy, which necessarily relied on non-literacy in Ur during the Abrahamic era. With the discovery of early literacy in Ur, that seemed to totally undercut the hypothesis, but it took awhile for the penny to drop in the field of higher criticism...
Apparently, it takes even longer outside the field...
For an atheist, you have more biblical literacy and knowledge of biblical scholarship/criticism than half the Christians I know. Ever think of becoming an atheist biblical scholar?
@mendicantmelly - I've got a minor in it, but biology is, always has been, and always will be my true passion. So I'm going into teaching HS biology. That won't stop me from collecting books on religion and learning as much as I can. It started with the worldview that in order to defend being an atheist I almost have to know the Bible better than most Christians (which isn't that hard in America, to be perfectly honest). But I truly enjoy it now. After I slog my way through as much creationism and intelligent design debunking as I can handle this summer (a Bio teacher friend of mine told me this was important, since certain churches are handing out books like "Darwin on Trial" and "Icons of Evolution" and telling them to try and stump their teacher about evolution), then I'll start on the Qu'ran. Although I'm tempted to slip scientology and Mormonism in first, just for shits and giggles.
@soccerdadforlife - [JEPD, as I recall, necessarily relied on
Abrahamic illiteracy, which necessarily relied on non-literacy in Ur
during the Abrahamic era.]
I've never heard that before, and I've read up on Higher Criticism and the Documentary Hypothesis a fair amount. You could be right, but it's just something I haven't heard before, so if you'd provide a source I'd love that.
[I remember reading about how one researcher
created a program that took one section of text and parsed it to show
multiple authors. One of his grad students then took one of the
author's papers and ran it through the program and the result also
showed multiple authors. That was kind of funny.]
Sounds hilarious. Think you could find the story again? I'm going out on a limb and guessing there were some flaws in his assumptions in programming. Or maybe he was using grad students as paper-writing slave labor and merely redacting. Hmmm... that's my new theory on the documentary hypothesis. Moses outsourced the writing, spliced it together and took credit.
@SirNickDon - It's obviously not raining yet. They aren't playing on the boat. That'd be silly.
@GodlessLiberal - I knew there was something off about Shem!!!
Thinking about it, you see similar format in the creation story.
@interstellarmachine - I considered writing about that instead, but I'm working on figuring out how to insert charts and tables into Xanga before doing that. Plus, lots of people already know about that one, few know of this one. Just curious, what's your take on this?
@GodlessLiberal - Well, I did my research many moons (over a couple of decades) ago. My memory might be playing tricks on me
The Wiki article asserts that the modified (by Alt/Noth) Documentary Hypothesis relies upon oral transmission of ancient core beliefs. I interpret this to mean that the DH assumes that "Abrahamic illiteracy" necessarily existed, otherwise Abraham, Inc. would have committed their family histories to written form and there would have been no need for oral transmission. Written records in Ur (the exact city referenced is still in doubt) weren't discovered until after the DH was published (here I am thinking of the Ebla tablets) and the DH therefore relied upon oral transmission as a result of a lack of evidence for literacy in Ur.
Wiseman notes that the structure of Genesis argues for written form, based on continuation structure that would have been present between pages, and toledoths. I find Wiseman to be particularly persuasive regarding toledoths, because if the toledoth serves as an introduction to a section of text, this is problematic since the number of days lived is included in the section to which it applies; assuming that the author wrote about his own death, we have an apparent contradiction. OTOH, if the toledoth is at the end of a section of text, then the problem is resolved.
I have these links to Glenn Miller's work in case they interest you:
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qjedp.html
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/dochypo.html
Here's one from Biblical Archaeology Review about the location of Ur: http://fontes.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/Ur.htm This article notes that literacy is known to have existed in Mesopotamia at least as far back as the 3rd millenium BC, which adds support for the possible literacy of Abraham.
@interstellarmachine - except for the interleaving part
@GodlessLiberal - Mine too. He was an editor as much as an author.
@GodlessLiberal - The idea of Moses writing 100% of the first five books is probably more
a matter of tradition, especially considering the description of events
after his life ended contained in those books. You see something
similar in the book of Samuel. As the structure of the text goes, in
this account as well as the creation account and the Tower of Babel, I
have noticed nested complexity of the stories. You see an introduction
as to the topic, a summary, and then the nitty-gritties. I use a
similar format when publishing findings within my field: A one-page
list of bullet points, then a summary of where they came from, then
finally, a full-blown synopsis of methodology. While this explanation
satisfies the apparent jumping around in the other two stories I
mentioned, it does not account for the extra bumpiness of the flood
retelling. While I might concede that Moses may not have written 100%
of the first five books, it is not wholly unreasonable that he wrote
all but the very end, as mentioned above. Moses took up many roles
during his life, was educated in Egypt, transformed forty years later
in Midian, then spent another forty years leading million's of people.
Moses could have easily taken up the multiple personas distinguishable
through out the text in those eighty years. He may have went back and
made edits as he learned more or his position changed. Some of this is
speculation of course, but I think it is a reasonable approach. I do
not see any blaring discrepancies between the "two" accounts of the
flood.