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Sense and Goodness Without God: A Defense of Metaphysical Naturalism
By Richard Carrier
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Could it be the govt? Ding!
if i've said it once i've said it a thousand times. trickle down economics began under the Reagan administration and 30 years later all the data shows the money trickled up, not down. even the man responsible for pushing Reagan into trickle down economics has apologized and admitted it does not work. Alan Greenspan also apologized of his mistaken view of economics after it all came crashing down. atop that union bashing which didn't begin under Reagan but certainly got a shot of steroids under Reagan added to the disparity because it's nothing less than worker bashing. so no. it wasn't liberals, gays, feminists, atheists ect, although some in those groups likely bought into trickle down economics too but it was not those agendas. it was purely an agenda of economic elitists looking down at those they consider to be the little people.
*applause*
Thanks for this. I blame Obama too.
@Kellsbella - I'm curious as to what you mean by that. These are almost all things that socialized countries (like Sweden and France) provide to their citizens. So are you saying that the problem is the government isn't helping them enough?
It used to be that only men worked outside the home. What impact do you think it has on wages when you add women workers?
@soccerdadforlife - It has no bearing on whether it's a man or woman working the job(s) (other than the fact that a woman still gets paid less to do the same job as a man). The point is that a job (a single, solitary) job does not bring in enough income to support a family, and you FORCE two-income households in order to make ends meet. Two-income households can also include two moms, or two dads, or roomates. And once you have multiple family members forced to work in order to pay the bills, other things have to be pushed aside due to time/scheduling constraints. Therefore the family unit is affected greatly. I cannot imagine a single parent trying to support their family unit. It boggles my mind. So piss on your misogynistic view that women entering the workforce has created a problem.
@amyunicorn - Actually, the problem now is the overabundance of cheap labor everywhere. Jobs can be outsourced to Asia and Latin America much more cheaply than they can here. It will take time for wages to equilibrate. Do you seriously think that adding more workers (say, married women) to the workforce has had no impact on wages? Just because you don't like the result is no reason to start calling names. Something like this shouldn't be so threatening to you.
Do you know what employers often do if they can't find workers? They raise wages. Men are far more willing to change jobs for higher pay than women are. Maybe that has an impact on why men get paid more than women.
@Kellsbella - Dong. Dang, I shouldn't ring the bells in a bell tower.
@TheSutraDude - I want some of that Obama money from his stash. Clearly, we don't have enough Gimme Economics.
Funny how you totally ignore the great recession caused by the collapse of the housing bubble that was fueled by liberal policies (think "everyone has a right to own a home" a la the CEO of now-defunct Countrywide). If you were a banker you had a choice between playing the game or getting fired because you weren't nearly as profitable as the competition. Fannie and Freddie wouldn't buy mortgages unless a minimum percentage of them were sub-prime. (Check out the growth in the percentage of subprime loans from 2003 to 2006.) When the lower risk subprimes were gobbled up, the banks had nowhere to go but to the higher risk subprimes. Fannie and Freddie continued to buy them and issue AAA CDOs based on the progressively much riskier basket of loans. WaMu and Countrywide copied Fannie and Freddie in order to be competitive. Then Wall Street repackaged those CDOs. Once the CDOs couldn't make payments because of too many subprimes in default, people realized that they had been sold CDO swampland and the whole mess came crashing down.
Btw, how is the Justice Dept. progressing on its fraud investigations of the ratings agencies and Wall Street?
@soccerdadforlife - Way to remove your insult, but still. Why shouldn't I find this threatening? Do you think I want to be away from my kids? Do you think I want to struggle to pay the bills? Do you think I enjoy pouring coffee 'for a living'? Is this what I perceived to be my goal when I went to school and got my college education that I'm still trying to pay off the loans for? My husband has a 'good' job and has only barely managed to double his wage in over 15 years at his job (which is still far below what we and his colleagues feel they deserve to be paid, but don't breathe a word of frustration lest you be tossed out the front door due to 'cutbacks').
We have excellent public health care, and thank goodness he has good benefits, but we cannot survive on his income alone. We'd be happy to! We'd LOVE to have his income be all we needed to get by. But it is impossible. I'd be thrilled to be the sole bread winner and allow my husband to be home because then someone would be available for the kids at all times! But that's not feasible either! So we had to work opposite shifts to avoid astronomical childcare expenses when the children were young, we now heap responsibility upon the eldest child to care for the younger when we are not available, and we cannot afford further schooling for either of us to get ahead in our respective 'fields'. But even with diplomas in our hands, the jobs available for EITHER ONE OF US are sparse and don't pay EITHER ONE OF US enough to support our family. And I'd LOVE to understand how men get paid more (for the SAME JOB IN THE SAME COMPANY DOING THE SAME THING) is reflective of men being willing to change jobs for higher pay than women. Please help me by clarifying this for me, since I'm such a twit.
@amyunicorn - Since women won't change jobs for higher pay, employers realize that they can offer women less. Women are just less money oriented, it seems, or maybe they are less willing to take risks.
Some men won't change jobs for higher pay, of course, but enough will that it affects the average pay. Men will often threaten to leave for more pay (I did with job in hand) and then the boss offers more money. That's not so true of women. Men will take more risks and they get rewarded for it.
Oh, I was downsized once my employer hired an outside agency to see who to get rid of. I laughed when my ex-coworkers talked about how nobody knew how to do some stuff that I used to do. We get together once a year still. Some of my ex-coworkers have asked me to reapply for a job in the company, but it doesn't seem to be advantageous to me.
Does your family have large student loan debts from college? My wife and I paid for some of our kids' college expenses so that they wouldn't be saddled with loans. They also didn't go to really expensive schools and had significant scholarships. Financial advisors say not to do what we did, but I'm glad that we did even if the kids don't appreciate it.
Have you considered starting a part-time home-based business?
@soccerdadforlife - I can see germs of truth in this, but maybe (probably) it's my personal bias that this isn't true. Probably because it's not fair, or right. Hence, the need for feminism (and not the man-hating, bra-burning feminism, but the We are People Too feminism). I, personally, am not a risk taker so I have a narrow view of what people as a whole consider to be risky or not. I voiced my opinion on unfair treatment at work and lost my job, so now I've committed to being grateful for any job I get and just shutting up and taking it. My credentials from college are now far outdated and useless for me to wade in and acquire a decent job (and looking back I picked the WRONG thing, I just needed a damn piece of paper to prove to employers that I was worth hiring), and my husband is stuck where he is without further education in his field.
When I was in college, there was a single Dad that was struggling, and that made me frustrated. It shouldn't cost 90% of anyone's paycheck to have your child in daycare, but then the daycare workers deserve to be paid enough to live on their wages. It's a vicious cycle. When I went back to work it was almost more cost-efficient for me to stay home and not make a dime, never mind finding a job that can accommodate the hours required for drop-off/pick-up etc. But staying at home causes problems later on when applying for a job and there is a huge gap in your work experience, as employers don't want to hear that you are a Mother (I was turned down for a job because they found out I was a Mother thanks to one of my references, and assumed I was too young to have children! They told me this, I'm not pulling this out of thin air). I have defaulted on my loans because we can't afford to pay them. We cannot afford to eat properly on a regular basis never mind put money towards our children's future education (and believe me, that hurts more than I can express). As far as working from home? I am Life-Challenged if you will. No skills, not crafty, no motivation and no passion for anything. I am destined to remain in entry-level soul-sucking jobs if I can find them (which currently I am between jobs which sucks even harder).
In other words, wah-wah my life sucks and I'm taking it out on Xanga. My apologies. If I don't work, we don't have enough money and it makes me feel like a shit Mother. If I work, I'm not around as much when the kids need me, and I feel like a shit Mother.
Finally someone said something...
look, people like kim cardashian and snooki work REALLY HARD for their money! everyone who has mounds of wealth 100% deserves it! and you should respect that and just quit whining! :P
@soccerdadforlife - I found this interesting. http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/10/new_research_busts_myths_about.html
@amyunicorn - Thanks, I read it and the comments.