I’m assuming you meant “discourse”. Please let me know if I’m wrong.
So what are you doing to help improve our political discourse?
Almost as low as you claiming it’s Fox News, when several of the clips came from other networks as well. Or as low as all the people who wrongfully misattributed “you can see Russia from my house” to Sarah Palin when it was Tina Fey, or how Stewart HIMSELF took Romney’s “I like firing people” out of context. In context, it meant he liked being able to fire people who are not performing their job duties. In fact he actually stated: “I like being able to fire people who provide services to me, you know, if someone doesn’t give me a good service that I need, I want to say, ‘I’m going to go get someone else to provide that service to me,’” in regards to choosing your own health insurance instead of what’s offered by the employer or the exchanges.
So really, taking Obama out of context is no worse than those who took Romney out of context. In fact, I would say taking Romney out of context is worse as Obama was still speaking of collectivism, and Romney was touting what he likes about a free market, not employees as it’s been made out to be.
Stewart is just as guilty as those he was chastising.
@grim_truth - Jon Stewart is a comedian. He’s not running for president.
@Saridactyl - And purposefully misrepresenting what someone says isn’t part of political discourse? Being ok with one side doing it but not the other isn’t adding to political discourse?
The Obama campaign has also taken what Romney has said out of context on several occasions.
@grim_truth - I didn’t say the Obama campaign hasn’t taken things out of context. I commented on one part of your comment and I think the point I made was clear enough. Jon Stewart is a comedian. His show is for comedic relief. I think taking him THAT seriously is a bit much.
@Saridactyl - When one uses him to point out the political discourse, and then that person is being a complete hypocrite, and the OP is ignoring it, yeah, it needs brought up. Especially when many folks rely on that comedian to provide their news.
@grim_truth - How is that even a response to anything I said? lol
Well, this is hardly surprising. The Repukes are not known for having any common sense or intelligence. Ok, not all. But, the vast majority.
@Saridactyl - You said “Jon Stewart is a comedian. He’s not running for president.” I merely pointed out that the OP was complaining about the political discourse and blaming Fox News, even though the example he tried to use that showed it being the repubs and Fox News used John Stewart, who himself, added to the discourse by doing exactly what he was complaining about. Fox News is also not running for President.
I love this clip, especially the end where they are saying exactly the same thing!
I can stand American political discourse. It’s the American political intercourse that makes me puke.
I tried watching Fox today, and in a five minute span, Hannity ranted about Louis Farrakhan before running some clips of his sermons where he claimed that Farrakhan creating a “revolution” meant he wanted to induce violence against whites (the sermon clip actually expressly refers to spiritual revolutions). Then, he had a “commenter” (not presented as an opinion, but as “hard” news) that expressly stated “liberal policies have destroyed schools and promoted violence, everyone knows that”. This went unrebutted; Hannity just sat there smugly shaking his head. Then, he had on a woman to “defend” Rob Emmanuel for “uniting” with Farrakhan to fight violence. He asked the woman a question, and when she wouldn’t explicitly state “yes/no” he just brow-beat her for being a coward. It was fucking insane. Mind boggling. Again, that was in the span of 5 fucking minutes.
Who can honestly say that shit is serious news for adults? Do these idiots think THAT is less biased than, say Wolf “Never Offend Anyone With Opinion” Blitzer or Anderson Cooper? That’s unfathomable. That’s indefensible.
We have reached point in time where the right actually believes that anything that is not right wing propaganda is “biased.” How can you even discuss issues with people that have the mentality? It’s disheartening.
Those motherfoxers!
@grim_truth - The big difference? Obama isn’t running his ENTIRE campaign on the “I like to fire people” out of context phrase. Romney is printing up T-shirts based on this single Obama out of context phrase.
Also, I never said that it was only Fox News, I merely intimated that Fox News stoops especially low.
@Nous_Apeiron - Thanks for helping point that out, old laptop and the keys sometimes fix. Spellcheck normally informs me, but for some reason titles are exempt.
As to what I’m doing to improve it: I’m trying my best to not take things out of context (like I never wrote post after post about Romney saying “I like to fire people” or spent days talking about how he strapped his dog to the top of his car). I try to talk about things that actually matter when discussing politics, like policy and past actions as they relate to future positions. Again, I try, I can’t say I always succeed.
@GodlessLiberal - Fair enough. Trying to avoid taking things out of context is a good step. Also, talking about issues that actually matter is a good idea. That puts you a notch above some of the worst offenders in political discourse. Those points suggest to me that you’re able to recognize the behavioral excesses of your opponents and refrain from imitating them, which is a very good thing. I recommend continuing on that path and recognizing additional suboptimal behaviors which it would be better not to imitate. It’s a strategy that has really helped me in my own journey through the political landscape.
@GodlessLiberal - By singling out Fox, you imply they are the only ones doing it. The t-shirts the Romney campaign are printing only state “Government didn’t build my business, I did.” It’s a statement. And it’s hardly what one could call “running his ENTIRE campaign on.”
You titled your post “American Political Discourse Makes Me Vomit.” Yet you are playing right into the discourse by clearly misrepresenting the party you don’t like. You blatantly ignore the discourse put out by the left, including the misrepresentation in the very video you used.
You are partaking in the very discourse you speak against.
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I’m assuming you meant “discourse”. Please let me know if I’m wrong.
So what are you doing to help improve our political discourse?
Almost as low as you claiming it’s Fox News, when several of the clips came from other networks as well. Or as low as all the people who wrongfully misattributed “you can see Russia from my house” to Sarah Palin when it was Tina Fey, or how Stewart HIMSELF took Romney’s “I like firing people” out of context. In context, it meant he liked being able to fire people who are not performing their job duties. In fact he actually stated: “I like being able to fire people who provide services to me, you know, if someone doesn’t give me a good service that I need, I want to say, ‘I’m going to go get someone else to provide that service to me,’” in regards to choosing your own health insurance instead of what’s offered by the employer or the exchanges.
So really, taking Obama out of context is no worse than those who took Romney out of context. In fact, I would say taking Romney out of context is worse as Obama was still speaking of collectivism, and Romney was touting what he likes about a free market, not employees as it’s been made out to be.
Stewart is just as guilty as those he was chastising.
@grim_truth - Jon Stewart is a comedian. He’s not running for president.
@Saridactyl - And purposefully misrepresenting what someone says isn’t part of political discourse? Being ok with one side doing it but not the other isn’t adding to political discourse?
The Obama campaign has also taken what Romney has said out of context on several occasions.
@grim_truth - I didn’t say the Obama campaign hasn’t taken things out of context. I commented on one part of your comment and I think the point I made was clear enough. Jon Stewart is a comedian. His show is for comedic relief. I think taking him THAT seriously is a bit much.
@Saridactyl - When one uses him to point out the political discourse, and then that person is being a complete hypocrite, and the OP is ignoring it, yeah, it needs brought up. Especially when many folks rely on that comedian to provide their news.
@grim_truth - How is that even a response to anything I said? lol
Well, this is hardly surprising. The Repukes are not known for having any common sense or intelligence. Ok, not all. But, the vast majority.
@Saridactyl - You said “Jon Stewart is a comedian. He’s not running for president.” I merely pointed out that the OP was complaining about the political discourse and blaming Fox News, even though the example he tried to use that showed it being the repubs and Fox News used John Stewart, who himself, added to the discourse by doing exactly what he was complaining about. Fox News is also not running for President.
I love this clip, especially the end where they are saying exactly the same thing!
I can stand American political discourse. It’s the American political intercourse that makes me puke.
I tried watching Fox today, and in a five minute span, Hannity ranted about Louis Farrakhan before running some clips of his sermons where he claimed that Farrakhan creating a “revolution” meant he wanted to induce violence against whites (the sermon clip actually expressly refers to spiritual revolutions). Then, he had a “commenter” (not presented as an opinion, but as “hard” news) that expressly stated “liberal policies have destroyed schools and promoted violence, everyone knows that”. This went unrebutted; Hannity just sat there smugly shaking his head. Then, he had on a woman to “defend” Rob Emmanuel for “uniting” with Farrakhan to fight violence. He asked the woman a question, and when she wouldn’t explicitly state “yes/no” he just brow-beat her for being a coward. It was fucking insane. Mind boggling. Again, that was in the span of 5 fucking minutes.
Who can honestly say that shit is serious news for adults? Do these idiots think THAT is less biased than, say Wolf “Never Offend Anyone With Opinion” Blitzer or Anderson Cooper? That’s unfathomable. That’s indefensible.
We have reached point in time where the right actually believes that anything that is not right wing propaganda is “biased.” How can you even discuss issues with people that have the mentality? It’s disheartening.
Those motherfoxers!
@grim_truth - The big difference? Obama isn’t running his ENTIRE campaign on the “I like to fire people” out of context phrase. Romney is printing up T-shirts based on this single Obama out of context phrase.
Also, I never said that it was only Fox News, I merely intimated that Fox News stoops especially low.
@Nous_Apeiron - Thanks for helping point that out, old laptop and the keys sometimes fix. Spellcheck normally informs me, but for some reason titles are exempt.
As to what I’m doing to improve it: I’m trying my best to not take things out of context (like I never wrote post after post about Romney saying “I like to fire people” or spent days talking about how he strapped his dog to the top of his car). I try to talk about things that actually matter when discussing politics, like policy and past actions as they relate to future positions. Again, I try, I can’t say I always succeed.
@GodlessLiberal - Fair enough. Trying to avoid taking things out of context is a good step. Also, talking about issues that actually matter is a good idea. That puts you a notch above some of the worst offenders in political discourse. Those points suggest to me that you’re able to recognize the behavioral excesses of your opponents and refrain from imitating them, which is a very good thing. I recommend continuing on that path and recognizing additional suboptimal behaviors which it would be better not to imitate. It’s a strategy that has really helped me in my own journey through the political landscape.
@GodlessLiberal - By singling out Fox, you imply they are the only ones doing it. The t-shirts the Romney campaign are printing only state “Government didn’t build my business, I did.” It’s a statement. And it’s hardly what one could call “running his ENTIRE campaign on.”
You titled your post “American Political Discourse Makes Me Vomit.” Yet you are playing right into the discourse by clearly misrepresenting the party you don’t like. You blatantly ignore the discourse put out by the left, including the misrepresentation in the very video you used.
You are partaking in the very discourse you speak against.